Comments on: The ever dangerous mid-season prospect ranking http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:06:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Swirls_AEPi http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/#comment-19737 Swirls_AEPi Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:48:14 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1586#comment-19737 I think our best trade bait at this point would be Anderson and Todd. I love Todd, but I'm concerned with his elbow throwing that many sliders as a starter. I think our best trade bait at this point would be Anderson and Todd. I love Todd, but I’m concerned with his elbow throwing that many sliders as a starter.

]]> By: AP5 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/#comment-19713 AP5 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:34:23 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1586#comment-19713 If you are trying to project power, I look at extra base hits. If they're consistently hitting 2B and 3B at a young age, they're more likely to hit for power as they fill out. As for trade value, Anderson has a quite a bit of trade value as he hits well left-handed and plays solid defense. Pete Kozma could get us a Kalil Greene like player, but not a difference maker. SS's are at a premium and getting rid of him might not be in our best interest. Jon Jay is nothing more than a 4th outfielder, so shopping him around seems like a good idea, but probably nothing great. Jess Todd is an intriguing player, because I am really wondering whether or not he is overachieving. His value right now is incredibly high and it might not ever be higher. If you are trying to project power, I look at extra base hits. If they’re consistently hitting 2B and 3B at a young age, they’re more likely to hit for power as they fill out.

As for trade value, Anderson has a quite a bit of trade value as he hits well left-handed and plays solid defense. Pete Kozma could get us a Kalil Greene like player, but not a difference maker. SS’s are at a premium and getting rid of him might not be in our best interest. Jon Jay is nothing more than a 4th outfielder, so shopping him around seems like a good idea, but probably nothing great. Jess Todd is an intriguing player, because I am really wondering whether or not he is overachieving. His value right now is incredibly high and it might not ever be higher.

]]> By: Todd http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/#comment-19712 Todd Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:25:06 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1586#comment-19712 I want to be clear that I was never suggesting that Kozma would have power equal to Wallace. My comment was simply that they are playing at the same level, and Kozma has more time to get to the big leagues (develop). Power is usually the last thing to develop. If Kozma can hit double digit HRs at 19, in pro ball, with woodbats, and can stick at SS, he's on the right track. That's my point. I want to be clear that I was never suggesting that Kozma would have power equal to Wallace. My comment was simply that they are playing at the same level, and Kozma has more time to get to the big leagues (develop).

Power is usually the last thing to develop. If Kozma can hit double digit HRs at 19, in pro ball, with woodbats, and can stick at SS, he’s on the right track. That’s my point.

]]> By: Bill http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/#comment-19711 Bill Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:03:36 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1586#comment-19711 One thing that this exercise shows us is that there are a lot of potentially useful guys in the system -- enough that Mo really could trade several of 'em without leaving the system terminally thin. Exercise for the reader: with the lists set up this way, who's the most plausible trade bait? That is, who's the player highest on these lists (and therefore most likely to reel in some value in a trade) that you'd be willing to deal? Let's see if Mo sees things the same way we do. One thing that this exercise shows us is that there are a lot of potentially useful guys in the system — enough that Mo really could trade several of ‘em without leaving the system terminally thin. Exercise for the reader: with the lists set up this way, who’s the most plausible trade bait? That is, who’s the player highest on these lists (and therefore most likely to reel in some value in a trade) that you’d be willing to deal? Let’s see if Mo sees things the same way we do.

]]> By: AP5 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/#comment-19701 AP5 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:28:37 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1586#comment-19701 I honestly can't see Garcia or Rasmus being traded unless Mozelaik gets blown away by an offer. Bryan Anderson is a canidate to be traded because Yadier Molina is blocking him. Wallace can't get traded for a year. Kozma can't be traded until about the 15th, day after he was signed. Draftees who are signed have a one year probation period, where they can't be traded. I don't expect any deals to go down unless the Cards decide to gell in sell mode. I honestly can’t see Garcia or Rasmus being traded unless Mozelaik gets blown away by an offer. Bryan Anderson is a canidate to be traded because Yadier Molina is blocking him. Wallace can’t get traded for a year. Kozma can’t be traded until about the 15th, day after he was signed. Draftees who are signed have a one year probation period, where they can’t be traded. I don’t expect any deals to go down unless the Cards decide to gell in sell mode.

]]> By: GForce9 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/#comment-19700 GForce9 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:07:16 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1586#comment-19700 Not trying to be a bummer, But with the deals Milwaukee and now Chicago pulled off, how many of these guys are going to be dealt in the next two months? I, for one, am extremely excited about the possibility that Wainer and Carp coming back COULD mean that MO doesn't feel he needs to play 'top this' and go after Bedard, etc... Not trying to be a bummer,

But with the deals Milwaukee and now Chicago pulled off, how many of these guys are going to be dealt in the next two months?

I, for one, am extremely excited about the possibility that Wainer and Carp coming back COULD mean that MO doesn’t feel he needs to play ‘top this’ and go after Bedard, etc…

]]> By: NASA http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/#comment-19695 NASA Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:18:18 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1586#comment-19695 My attempt at a list: 1 Ramsus 2 Anderson 3 Garcia 4 Todd 5 Mortensen 6 Jones 7 Castillo 8 Jay 9 Kozma 10 Mather I did not add the FY guys on purpose. My attempt at a list:

1 Ramsus
2 Anderson
3 Garcia
4 Todd
5 Mortensen
6 Jones
7 Castillo
8 Jay
9 Kozma
10 Mather

I did not add the FY guys on purpose.

]]> By: Alan http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/#comment-19693 Alan Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:53:09 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1586#comment-19693 Here's my list of prospects I will be watching for the future, not necessarily the best right now, but I think they have that potential: 1. Colby 2. Brett Wallace 3. Bryan Anderson 4. Garcia 5. Perez 6. Jesse Todd 7. Roberto Pina 8. Daryl Jones 9. Steve Hill 10. Clayton Mortenson 11. Nico Vazquez 12. Santo Franco 13. Jon Edwards 14. Lance Lynn 15. Jon Jay 16. Castillo 17. Fernando Salas 18. Pete Kozma 19. Tyler Henley 20. Allen Craig 21. David Freese 22. Shane Robinson 23. Jason Motte 24. Tyler Herron 25. Mitch Boggs 26. Mark Worrell 27. Adam Ottavino 28. Mannbel 29. Joe Mather 30. Nick Stavinoha Here’s my list of prospects I will be watching for the future, not necessarily the best right now, but I think they have that potential:

1. Colby
2. Brett Wallace
3. Bryan Anderson
4. Garcia
5. Perez
6. Jesse Todd
7. Roberto Pina
8. Daryl Jones
9. Steve Hill
10. Clayton Mortenson
11. Nico Vazquez
12. Santo Franco
13. Jon Edwards
14. Lance Lynn
15. Jon Jay
16. Castillo
17. Fernando Salas
18. Pete Kozma
19. Tyler Henley
20. Allen Craig
21. David Freese
22. Shane Robinson
23. Jason Motte
24. Tyler Herron
25. Mitch Boggs
26. Mark Worrell
27. Adam Ottavino
28. Mannbel
29. Joe Mather
30. Nick Stavinoha

]]> By: AP5 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/#comment-19692 AP5 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:06:51 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1586#comment-19692 Here is my top-10 with explanation/descriptions for the top five. 1.OF Colby Rasmus – Coming into the season, expectations were sky high as many thought he would win a starting job out of ST. Turns out that none of the current major league outfielders had a bad spring and Colby was sent packing to Memphis. After a prolonged slump, Colby got out of it and started hitting like the top-10 prospect experts were labeling him as. He may not hit like Colby, but he’ll be a Carlos Beltran-like player. MLB Comparison: Carlos Beltran / OF / New York Mets 2.C Bryan Anderson – Despite being one of the youngest players in each league he has played, he has consistently hit. Add onto that his improving defense as well as the fact he hits left handed and it really is no surprise he is this high on my list. If he keeps hitting and plays solid defense, the Cards will be in quite a quandary with what do with Anderson or Yadier Molina MLB Comparison: Lefty, Poor Man’s Joe Mauer / C / Minnesota Twins 3.LHP Jaime Garcia – After coming out of nowhere as a 22nd round draft pick, Jaime returned well from injury and played well. While he still needs some more work, playing in the big leagues next year isn’t out of the question. LHP are extremely valueable and having one that can be a future 2/3 in your rotation is a great asset and can be a great trade bait. MLB Comparison: 4.3B Brett Wallace – At this point, his ranking is all there because of his projection. The difference between him and Darryl Jones is the higher chance that Brett will reach his potential. Brett can be a consistent 30 HR, 100 RBI in the big leagues while playing solid defense. MLB Comparison: Miguel Cabrera / 3B / Detroit Tigers 5.RHP Jess Todd – So far so good for Jess, but when he gets the promotion to AAA, you’d have to wonder how he’ll fare. He’s done well so far, almost a little to well and you have to begin to wonder if he is overachieving and may want to consider trading him while his value is high. You also don’t want to sell like him the Cards did with Dan Haren. MLB Comparison: Jeff Suppan / RHP / Milwaukee Brewers 6.OF Daryl Jones 7.RHP Clayton Mortenson 8.SS Pete Kozma 9.OF Jon Jay 10.RHP Lance Lynn Here is my top-10 with explanation/descriptions for the top five.

1.OF Colby Rasmus – Coming into the season, expectations were sky high as many thought he would win a starting job out of ST. Turns out that none of the current major league outfielders had a bad spring and Colby was sent packing to Memphis. After a prolonged slump, Colby got out of it and started hitting like the top-10 prospect experts were labeling him as. He may not hit like Colby, but he’ll be a Carlos Beltran-like player.
MLB Comparison: Carlos Beltran / OF / New York Mets

2.C Bryan Anderson – Despite being one of the youngest players in each league he has played, he has consistently hit. Add onto that his improving defense as well as the fact he hits left handed and it really is no surprise he is this high on my list. If he keeps hitting and plays solid defense, the Cards will be in quite a quandary with what do with Anderson or Yadier Molina
MLB Comparison: Lefty, Poor Man’s Joe Mauer / C / Minnesota Twins

3.LHP Jaime Garcia – After coming out of nowhere as a 22nd round draft pick, Jaime returned well from injury and played well. While he still needs some more work, playing in the big leagues next year isn’t out of the question. LHP are extremely valueable and having one that can be a future 2/3 in your rotation is a great asset and can be a great trade bait.
MLB Comparison:

4.3B Brett Wallace – At this point, his ranking is all there because of his projection. The difference between him and Darryl Jones is the higher chance that Brett will reach his potential. Brett can be a consistent 30 HR, 100 RBI in the big leagues while playing solid defense.
MLB Comparison: Miguel Cabrera / 3B / Detroit Tigers

5.RHP Jess Todd – So far so good for Jess, but when he gets the promotion to AAA, you’d have to wonder how he’ll fare. He’s done well so far, almost a little to well and you have to begin to wonder if he is overachieving and may want to consider trading him while his value is high. You also don’t want to sell like him the Cards did with Dan Haren.
MLB Comparison: Jeff Suppan / RHP / Milwaukee Brewers

6.OF Daryl Jones
7.RHP Clayton Mortenson
8.SS Pete Kozma
9.OF Jon Jay
10.RHP Lance Lynn

]]> By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2008/07/08/the-ever-dangerous-mid-season-prospect-ranking/#comment-19691 Chris Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:25:36 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1586#comment-19691 16. Craig 17. Herron 18. Motte 19. Salas 20. Freese 21. Sugar Shane 22. de la Cruz 23. Catillo 24. Worrell 25. Latin Guys 16. Craig
17. Herron
18. Motte
19. Salas
20. Freese
21. Sugar Shane
22. de la Cruz
23. Catillo
24. Worrell
25. Latin Guys

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