Comments on: Daily Farm Report 6/29/08 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:11:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Liam http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/#comment-19364 Liam Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:45:07 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1468#comment-19364 Anyone notice that Johnny Bravo's struck out 17 batters in almost half as many innings? Vertically Challenged Pitchers of the World... UNITE! Anyone notice that Johnny Bravo’s struck out 17 batters in almost half as many innings?

Vertically Challenged Pitchers of the World… UNITE!

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By: picklefork http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/#comment-19300 picklefork Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:23:40 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1468#comment-19300 Todd is more like a David Cone type to me. Martinez and Lincecum got such great arm action and velocity from a little frame. Todd is more of a bulldog. Fewgoodcards made a great comp...look at Jessie Listch from Toronto...nearly identical to Todd. Todd is more like a David Cone type to me.

Martinez and Lincecum got such great arm action and velocity from a little frame.

Todd is more of a bulldog.

Fewgoodcards made a great comp…look at Jessie Listch from Toronto…nearly identical to Todd.

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By: Dustin http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/#comment-19298 Dustin Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:46:27 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1468#comment-19298 Is Todd kind of like Lincecum or Oswalt or even Pedro Martinez? Those 3 are all little guys who can just bring it. Is Todd like that or is he overacheiving? Is Todd kind of like Lincecum or Oswalt or even Pedro Martinez? Those 3 are all little guys who can just bring it. Is Todd like that or is he overacheiving?

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By: travis http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/#comment-19295 travis Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:43:52 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1468#comment-19295 I've wondered if the Cards have more of the 4A players in their system than other systems. I would doubt there is any accurate way to tell. I am curious because I fear that Luhnow's strategy of drafting middle of the rotation players lends itself to drafting guys who will be borderline pitchers. Of course, the youngsters in the system seem to be proving me wrong for now. I guess we will see once we see them making their way to STL. I’ve wondered if the Cards have more of the 4A players in their system than other systems. I would doubt there is any accurate way to tell. I am curious because I fear that Luhnow’s strategy of drafting middle of the rotation players lends itself to drafting guys who will be borderline pitchers. Of course, the youngsters in the system seem to be proving me wrong for now. I guess we will see once we see them making their way to STL.

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By: picklefork http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/#comment-19289 picklefork Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:26:31 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1468#comment-19289 I just dont understand the hold up on the Wallace contract..but they went thru the same thing with Kozma last year. Just get it done already. I just dont understand the hold up on the Wallace contract..but they went thru the same thing with Kozma last year.

Just get it done already.

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By: Dougie http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/#comment-19288 Dougie Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:22:48 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1468#comment-19288 I've watched Barden play serveral times this year in person - I was impressed each time. He seems to do everything well - he even played the outfield in one game. The best way I can describe him is a gamer with tools. It seems to me that the cardinals could use him - but what do I know I predicted Craig was going to hit 40 hrs this year (it could happen 15 homers a month for July and August = 41) I’ve watched Barden play serveral times this year in person - I was impressed each time. He seems to do everything well - he even played the outfield in one game. The best way I can describe him is a gamer with tools. It seems to me that the cardinals could use him - but what do I know I predicted Craig was going to hit 40 hrs this year (it could happen 15 homers a month for July and August = 41)

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By: Red Blazer http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/#comment-19286 Red Blazer Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:52:10 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1468#comment-19286 Barden for 2B. His defense would be a plus at 2B as would his bat. As a 3B he is a AAAA player but at 2B he just may be a pro. Barden for 2B.

His defense would be a plus at 2B as would his bat.

As a 3B he is a AAAA player but at 2B he just may be a pro.

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By: Beau http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/#comment-19284 Beau Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:44:43 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1468#comment-19284 One hard truth is the role of luck in dividing average players between minors and majors. Some guys have ML talent, but suffer injuries or get stuck in circumstances that do not allow them to get a shot at the majors. There is not a neat, convenient bright line between MLers and AAAA players. As a player ages, the appeal of promoting him may worsen, because his potential diminishes. A team may work a guy into the majors at age 25, because he can contribute for 5 years and the team gets a multi-year payoff. Yet when the rookie is 28, the multi-year payoff is lower. Parisi has positive traits, but is not as promising as some other guys. For instance, Boggs had a lower ERA at AA and in early going at AAA. His pitches have more velocity, movement or control than Parisi, who is more hittable. So its possible Boggs becomes a ML, while Parisi may be traded. One hard truth is the role of luck in dividing average players between minors and majors. Some guys have ML talent, but suffer injuries or get stuck in circumstances that do not allow them to get a shot at the majors. There is not a neat, convenient bright line between MLers and AAAA players.

As a player ages, the appeal of promoting him may worsen, because his potential diminishes. A team may work a guy into the majors at age 25, because he can contribute for 5 years and the team gets a multi-year payoff. Yet when the rookie is 28, the multi-year payoff is lower.

Parisi has positive traits, but is not as promising as some other guys. For instance, Boggs had a lower ERA at AA and in early going at AAA. His pitches have more velocity, movement or control than Parisi, who is more hittable. So its possible Boggs becomes a ML, while Parisi may be traded.

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By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/#comment-19283 Chris Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:10:29 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1468#comment-19283 The difference between a AAAA and a MLB player is very small. Mental makeup plays a huge role. A lot of guys don't have the mental ability to have a career like a Craig Counsell. Most of these guys are so used to dominating and being "the man" that it takes a lot to get used to going through slumps. The other thing especially for hitters is the fact that in AAA they are going to get a lot more "mistake" pitches that are in the middle of the zone and they won't see nearly as many quality breaking balls. One of the major attributes of a professional hitter is also their ability to make adjustments game to game and in game. The best in baseball at this is probably Manny Ramirez. It is amazing to watch. He will make adjustments pitch by pitch. The difference between a AAAA and a MLB player is very small. Mental makeup plays a huge role. A lot of guys don’t have the mental ability to have a career like a Craig Counsell. Most of these guys are so used to dominating and being “the man” that it takes a lot to get used to going through slumps. The other thing especially for hitters is the fact that in AAA they are going to get a lot more “mistake” pitches that are in the middle of the zone and they won’t see nearly as many quality breaking balls. One of the major attributes of a professional hitter is also their ability to make adjustments game to game and in game. The best in baseball at this is probably Manny Ramirez. It is amazing to watch. He will make adjustments pitch by pitch.

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By: jpsell45 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/29/daily-farm-report-62908/#comment-19282 jpsell45 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:05:44 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1468#comment-19282 I have the privelage of living in Springfield and getting to go to most of these games but this Justin Fiske cat needs to be put on the fast track to the STL bullpen. He is down right dirty and already has better stuff than either Ron Villone or Randy Flores I have the privelage of living in Springfield and getting to go to most of these games but this Justin Fiske cat needs to be put on the fast track to the STL bullpen. He is down right dirty and already has better stuff than either Ron Villone or Randy Flores

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