I sat down to take a look at a couple of Motte’s outings. I’ve probably watched Motte throw about 10 innings on video so far this year so I’m pretty familiar with him. I charted the pitches from 6/8 & 6/10 to see whether he’s made any adjustments over the course of the season. The 6/8 outing was excellent where Motte strikes out 4 hitters allowing just a double to JR Towles. The 6/10 game left a little more to be desired. I’ll talk about that more at the end but let’s get the pitch sequence and notes out of the way.
Notation: FB - fastball, SL - slider, F - foul, B - ball, CS - called strike, SS - swinging strike, ##s indicate mph
6/8/08 -
7th Inning:
- Saccomanno: 1-FB(F) 93, 2-FB(SS) 95, 3-FB(SS) strikeout
- Notes: Motte replaced Jaime Garcia with 2 outs in the 7th. The announcers repeatedly mentioned that the MEM gun was 2-3mph slow. I’m writing what was on the gun so mentally add to that number throughout this entire post.
8th Inning:
- Sadler: 1-FB(CS), 2-FB(B), 3-FB(B) 97, 4-FB(F), 5-FB(SS) 97 strikeout
- Gorneault: 1-SL(CS), 2-SL(CS), 3-FB(SS) strikeout
- Towles: 1-FB(CS) 98, 1-SL(double)
- Ramirez: 1-FB(CS), 2-SL(B), 3-FB(SS), 4-FB(F), 5-FB(F), 6-FB(SS) strikeout
- Notes: The ump gave Motte about 3 inches on both sides of the plate, which helped tremendously. Towles was fooled on the slider and was ahead of the pitch just barely keeping it in the third baseline. Yes the slider does exist, more on that later.
6/10/08 -
8th Inning:
- Blanco: 1-FB(single)
- Patterson: 1-FB(B), 2-FB(single)
- Pie: 1-FB(F), 2-FB(bunt)
- Murton: 1-FB(B), 2-SL(CS) 82, 3-video cuts out (strike), 4-FB(B), 5-FB(B), 6-FB(F), 7-FB(SS) 96 strikeout
- Micah Hoffpauir: 1-FB(SS), 2-FB(B), 3-FB(F), 4-FB(B), 5-SL(F), 6-FB(SS) strikeout
- Kroeger: 1-FB(B), 2-SL(SS), 3-FB(B) 97, 4-FB(F), 5-FB(B) 6-FB(F) 94, 7-FB(F), 8-SL(B) 76 walk
- McGehee: 1-SL(flyout)
- Notes: The single by patterson was a good pitch — middle of the shins inside the plate — that was golfed for a hit. The Pie bunt was bungled by C Mark Johnson. The second pitch to Murton was originally called a fastball by the announcers until they saw the gun. How they thought it was a fastball is beyond me — I picked up slider from the moment it left his hand. The 2nd pitch to Hoffpauir was a wild pitch that tailed back in on the left hander. Johnson couldn’t handle the pitch but it wasn’t particuarly wild per se. The flyout to CF looks easy by Rasmus who gets a great first step and just glides under the ball effortlessly.
Scouting Report
Fastball - 70/70
Slider - 40/45
Command - 45/50
AOFP: 58
ETA: mid-2009
Motte’s fastball is blazing fast but relatively straight. When he locates it down in the zone, it’s a plus-plus pitch. He has enough pure velocity to blow it by most minor leaguers but that will be harder to do at the next level. When he does miss it’s typically shoulder high and gets fouled out of play. He may have left 2-3 of the 30 above fastballs over the plate. There’s not really any growth in the fastball itself unless he suddenly develops movement on the pitch, which is the only thing holding it back from being an 80.
The slider isn’t a myth but it is very much a work in progress. My biggest complaint is that it doesn’t break away from right-handers enough. It’s got some decent vertical movement (which almost made me think it was a curve the first time I saw it) but the lateral break leaves a lot to be desired. I’d almost question if he’s even putting the right/enough torque on the ball when it leaves his hand. The other problem is that it’s pretty easy to recognize when he’s throwing the slider. The arm action slows a little and the arm slot just isn’t quite the same.
The command issues extend to both pitches. He needs to locate his fastball down in the zone more often. He likes to move up around the shoulders to eyes and get batters to swing under it but I don’t think that’s going to be an effective strategy against major leaguers who would probably lay off the pitch. It’s not that he’s leaving too many over the fat part of the plate, it’s that he’s not throwing enough in the bottom half of the strike zone to get selective hitters out. The slider needs considerable work. He can’t command it yet and it was far more prone to turning into a meatball pitch.
I’ve gone both extremes on Motte — liking him considerably and being very disappointed with what I’ve seen. I’m somewhere in the middle now. I have his AOFP at 58 mainly because he’s so new to pitching. If he improves his slider more than I expect or finds some movement on his fastball, he’ll become a closer caliber reliever. Currently he’s a fringe setup man (AOFP 52) despite the awesome velocity. Hitters who come in and swing early in the count are likely to be successful as he tries to pump fastballs down the plate. The comparison player that keeps coming to mind (although I’m not sure I like it) is Kyle Farnsworth who also featured a great fastball and not a whole lot else. They’re similar in terms of stuff but not necessarily demeanor or build. Motte has some serious potential still but I’d expect him to settle in as a middle reliever mid next year and a good setup man by mid-2010.
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Personally, I do not like Motte’s chances of developing a quality secondary pitch or of gaining movement on his FB. He looks like a AAAA guy to me with a strong arm that won’t translate to the show. I’d package him in a trade for something we need.
Thanks for the write-up!! Awesome info! I’m still excited about Motte, probably just because of his velo. It wasn’t long ago he didn’t have a slider at all. Has he worked on anything else? Curve, change, cutter, split…
Joe — Worst case scenario for Motte is something like Roberto Novoa but that’s not a great comparison because, despite his short comings, Motte still strikes out a ridiculous number of batters. His slider could come to a standstill right now and he would still be an major league quality reliever. I’d be far more worried about Motte if his numbers had been dipping as he moved up the chain — they really aren’t though. That said, if some team wanted him in a trade, I wouldn’t hesitate to move him. There are plenty of relievers behind him (Gregerson, Salas, Worrell, etc) that he’s not really a critical prospect.
cardzfanbub — I’m an admitted velocity addict and you’re right in that this slider has been around for about a month or two in live competition. It’s an extremely new pitch. There were a couple of pitches during the games that looked like they could have been cutters but I think they were just sloppy sliders. The announcers (which BTW, the Memphis announcers are fantastic. I mean really, really great. I enjoy listening to them call the games.) acted like he would just lose his grip on the slider and it would move in an odd fashion. The short answer is no, I don’t think there are any other pitches in the works.
I like it when a guy throws a few at the top of the strikezone or higher. Roger Clemens did this. Why not use the entire strike zone?
I look at Motte’s arm action and his delivery and it just seems to scream out to me for someone to teach the man to throw a splitter or a forkball. Sliders are great and all, but from where his arm comes through I think a slip pitch would work much better than him trying to spin a breaking ball.
Just a thought, though.
Rosters announced for All-Star Futures game and Team USA. Bryan Anderson and Jess Todd on US Olympic squad. Jaime Garcia is on the World Future All-Star team.
Interesting that Rasmus is not included. Wonder if that is because the big league team told them that Rasmus might be called up before the Olympic Games.
Anyway here is the link to the rosters. Scroll down to page 3.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/xm_rosters.pdf
Oops sorry. It starts on page 4
Not familiar with this hurler yet, but I find it odd no one mentioned a straight change. If Motte’s arm slot is over the top or close, a decent change can increase the effectiveness of his fastball. For some hurlers, learning a proper change is easier than other pitch types. Either way, if control is the issue, a second pitch, while helpful, isn’t going to mean much as far his progress, and may make things worse until control is commanded. Just something to chew on. The info is fun to analyze. And a good farm blog, so to speak, is hard to find. DFR is a bookmark for sure.
[...] my count Motte threw 4 sliders out of 25 pitches. When I watched Motte in the past, I made the following comment on his slider: The slider isn’t a myth but it is very much a work [...]
motte is my uncle, believe it or not, and he has only been pitching for 2 and half seasons. he’s still learning how to throw that slider which can be extremely ugly at times. but, i think he is disappointed in how the cardinals transitioned him from a cather to a pitcher. they basically told him to go on the mound and pitch. no real coaching, cause he doesn’t know how to throw these pitches. all he needs to do, is make it to the bigs for at least a couple outings. wheather he stays or not isn’t the big deal. because, all he needs is for dave duncan, the best pitching coach in the bigs in my opinion, to see his potential. and then teach him how to pitch. or if another club see’s his potential that is what’s needed. i think he’ll be great, if somebody actually coach’s him.
Apparently something has changed since these notes. I’m in Stl and have never seen him pitch, but his numbers since the beginning of July have been out of this world. I would apreciate any thoughts on why the incredible improvement.