Comments on: Daily Farm Report - 6/6/08 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:12:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: GForce9 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/#comment-18438 GForce9 Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:59:05 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1327#comment-18438 I am right with you Chris. I still remember this day last year, when all the talk was really on the guys we didn't get signed (russell, stutes) and not on some of the players that are 'helium' now (todd, mort). Everyone just needs to take a breath, hope we get these guys signed ASAP, and see what they can do. It is an exciting time given the state of the Cardinals' minor league system right now. I am right with you Chris. I still remember this day last year, when all the talk was really on the guys we didn’t get signed (russell, stutes) and not on some of the players that are ‘helium’ now (todd, mort).

Everyone just needs to take a breath, hope we get these guys signed ASAP, and see what they can do. It is an exciting time given the state of the Cardinals’ minor league system right now.

]]> By: Red Blazer http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/#comment-18435 Red Blazer Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:16:36 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1327#comment-18435 I'm excited about Wallace. I hope they polish up his 3B skills and we can see him at the latest next year and at the earliest in September(not gonna happen but I can dream). I’m excited about Wallace. I hope they polish up his 3B skills and we can see him at the latest next year and at the earliest in September(not gonna happen but I can dream).

]]> By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/#comment-18433 Chris Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:37:35 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1327#comment-18433 Keith Law has an article on espn.com in which he ranked the Cards first day draft as the 4th best. He does admit that the Cards first day lacked "upside". I have to say that I personally really like the Cards strategy this year. They took guys that are very projectable with the high picks, which is really smart. To me it makes more sense to take a guy in the Comp round that has say a 70% chance of becoming a solid #4 starter and a 90% chance of being a MLB starter than to use that pick on a guy who has a 50% chance of completely washing out, but a 10% chance of developing into a solid 1 or 2. When looking at SP especially it is almost impossible to say this guy should be an ace in the future when if you look at MLB rosters there are maybe 15 in all of baseball (Webb, Zambrano, Oswalt, Santana, Beckett, Halladay, etc). To me upside is what the second day should be all about. The guys that are "toolsy" (Pham, Jones) and have a chance at being special but haven't quite developed yet. I just get tired of hearing people say that they aren't thrilled about our draft due to the lack of upside. If this draft produces a 300 avg 30 hr 100 rbi #3 hitter (Wallace), a 4.00 era 200 ip #4 SP (Lynn), and a 270 avg 20 hr 70 rbi guy (Vazquez) that is one hell of a draft, not to mention the probability that we at least get some more contributions from the others. For the record I'm hugely excited about Wallace. When was the last time we had the #1 ranked college hitter come into our system! If you can't get excited about Wallace now, but you get excited over guys like Steve Hill you are crazy. No offense Steve. Keith Law has an article on espn.com in which he ranked the Cards first day draft as the 4th best. He does admit that the Cards first day lacked “upside”.

I have to say that I personally really like the Cards strategy this year. They took guys that are very projectable with the high picks, which is really smart. To me it makes more sense to take a guy in the Comp round that has say a 70% chance of becoming a solid #4 starter and a 90% chance of being a MLB starter than to use that pick on a guy who has a 50% chance of completely washing out, but a 10% chance of developing into a solid 1 or 2. When looking at SP especially it is almost impossible to say this guy should be an ace in the future when if you look at MLB rosters there are maybe 15 in all of baseball (Webb, Zambrano, Oswalt, Santana, Beckett, Halladay, etc).

To me upside is what the second day should be all about. The guys that are “toolsy” (Pham, Jones) and have a chance at being special but haven’t quite developed yet.

I just get tired of hearing people say that they aren’t thrilled about our draft due to the lack of upside. If this draft produces a 300 avg 30 hr 100 rbi #3 hitter (Wallace), a 4.00 era 200 ip #4 SP (Lynn), and a 270 avg 20 hr 70 rbi guy (Vazquez) that is one hell of a draft, not to mention the probability that we at least get some more contributions from the others.

For the record I’m hugely excited about Wallace. When was the last time we had the #1 ranked college hitter come into our system! If you can’t get excited about Wallace now, but you get excited over guys like Steve Hill you are crazy. No offense Steve.

]]> By: Bob http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/#comment-18430 Bob Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:36:12 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1327#comment-18430 I'd love to see both our QC tandem stars move up when Lynn & Gorgen come to the Midwest League--the sooner the better. Rasmus may have gone 0-2, but the three walks are such a good sign that the Power And Patience combo is back, I'm *very* enthused about Colby right now. Speaking of plate discipline, Hill's BB/K/AB numbers have regressed so badly since moving up to AA, I have my doubts about his ability to continue hitting for both average and plus power--but I hope he fools me. I’d love to see both our QC tandem stars move up when Lynn & Gorgen come to the Midwest League–the sooner the better.

Rasmus may have gone 0-2, but the three walks are such a good sign that the Power And Patience combo is back, I’m *very* enthused about Colby right now.

Speaking of plate discipline, Hill’s BB/K/AB numbers have regressed so badly since moving up to AA, I have my doubts about his ability to continue hitting for both average and plus power–but I hope he fools me.

]]> By: Liam http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/#comment-18429 Liam Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:56:12 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1327#comment-18429 That's a fantastic night for Kozma. And the pitching tandem in QC. That’s a fantastic night for Kozma.

And the pitching tandem in QC.

]]> By: Hugo http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/#comment-18428 Hugo Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:07:39 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1327#comment-18428 In extras for QC: 10th Garcia grounded out, Pham Ks, Kozma Singled, Folli Ks Parise Ks 2 and gets all 3 in order 11th Vazquez Ks, Chambers Ks, Peoples Ks Spade gives up a single, double, IBB then a single, didn't record an out Final 6-5 Wisconsion over QC In extras for QC:

10th Garcia grounded out, Pham Ks, Kozma Singled, Folli Ks
Parise Ks 2 and gets all 3 in order
11th Vazquez Ks, Chambers Ks, Peoples Ks
Spade gives up a single, double, IBB then a single, didn’t record an out

Final 6-5 Wisconsion over QC

]]> By: baseballatc http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/#comment-18421 baseballatc Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:53:56 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1327#comment-18421 UC Irvine will have a couple card draft picks going against LSU too, most notably Scott Gorgen who will probably be the starter for tommorrow nights game. UC Irvine will have a couple card draft picks going against LSU too, most notably Scott Gorgen who will probably be the starter for tommorrow nights game.

]]> By: Bill http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/#comment-18417 Bill Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:44:50 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1327#comment-18417 Hill has hit wherever he's played, but has gone unnoticed for two reasons: he's been old for his level, and he has no good position. The age, IMO, should no longer be held against him, because he doesn't stop hitting when he moves up a level. Lack of a fielding position, however, is a problem. Where's he gonna play? He has the Eli Marrero skill set, with an uptick at the plate but two large steps down in the field, and that skill set really didn't give Marrero a career. Hill has hit wherever he’s played, but has gone unnoticed for two reasons: he’s been old for his level, and he has no good position. The age, IMO, should no longer be held against him, because he doesn’t stop hitting when he moves up a level. Lack of a fielding position, however, is a problem. Where’s he gonna play? He has the Eli Marrero skill set, with an uptick at the plate but two large steps down in the field, and that skill set really didn’t give Marrero a career.

]]> By: Alec http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/#comment-18413 Alec Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:25:24 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1327#comment-18413 Hawksworth was DL'd also. Stavinoha continues to hit well. Hawksworth was DL’d also. Stavinoha continues to hit well.

]]> By: Ryan http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/06/daily-farm-report-6608/#comment-18412 Ryan Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:18:30 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1327#comment-18412 Steve Hill is pretty ridiculous. Hasn't he been hitting since the day he was drafted? Steve Hill is pretty ridiculous. Hasn’t he been hitting since the day he was drafted?

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