Comments on: Mock draft mania http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:23:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: backwater-bob http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/#comment-17761 backwater-bob Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:58:19 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1258#comment-17761 Here you go Pickle "As Frankie says, Minnesota leans to the high school/tools end of the spectrum, frequently goes off-the-board, and usually does well in the draft. Brett Lawrie is definitely in play here, and I would think is the pick if he’s available. In my scenario he isn’t, and Collier is a distinct possibility, but may be too raw at the plate for Minnesota’s liking. Casey Kelly fits great here if the Twins would go over slot, but that’s unlikely. I wouldn’t be suprised if Brett Wallace, Tim Melville, Aaron Hicks, or Ethan Martin were the pick, either. I’ll go with Aaron Hicks here, and say the Twins chase the upside, and believe they’ve got a faster version of Torii Hunter with an 80 arm that could play on the mound. They may even draft him as a pitcher rather than a center fielder, as Hicks reportedly is more open to signing as a pitcher" That's from sabr scouting. I haven't read many concerns about Hicks not signing. He's got better upside as a hitter (obviously), and a pitcher. I'd draft him as a hitter, but even if they don't think he can hit he is STILL the better pick. Here you go Pickle

“As Frankie says, Minnesota leans to the high school/tools end of the spectrum, frequently goes off-the-board, and usually does well in the draft. Brett Lawrie is definitely in play here, and I would think is the pick if he’s available. In my scenario he isn’t, and Collier is a distinct possibility, but may be too raw at the plate for Minnesota’s liking. Casey Kelly fits great here if the Twins would go over slot, but that’s unlikely. I wouldn’t be suprised if Brett Wallace, Tim Melville, Aaron Hicks, or Ethan Martin were the pick, either. I’ll go with Aaron Hicks here, and say the Twins chase the upside, and believe they’ve got a faster version of Torii Hunter with an 80 arm that could play on the mound. They may even draft him as a pitcher rather than a center fielder, as Hicks reportedly is more open to signing as a pitcher”

That’s from sabr scouting. I haven’t read many concerns about Hicks not signing.

He’s got better upside as a hitter (obviously), and a pitcher. I’d draft him as a hitter, but even if they don’t think he can hit he is STILL the better pick.

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By: Shhh http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/#comment-17749 Shhh Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:41:27 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1258#comment-17749 I implied that from the quote you provided that said, "and of late he’s seemingly softened on his stance that he’d like to begin his career as an everyday player." Seems he's open to the idea of it. If someone puts almost 2M in front of your face it's also very hard to say no, I'll see where my life takes me in 3 years. This is all assuming the Cardinal scouts don't think he can hit, and he very well could, who knows. I implied that from the quote you provided that said, “and of late he’s seemingly softened on his stance that he’d like to begin his career as an everyday player.” Seems he’s open to the idea of it. If someone puts almost 2M in front of your face it’s also very hard to say no, I’ll see where my life takes me in 3 years.

This is all assuming the Cardinal scouts don’t think he can hit, and he very well could, who knows.

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By: Picklefork http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/#comment-17747 Picklefork Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:34:56 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1258#comment-17747 "but is very open to pitching" I have never read that or heard that implied.....I am about drafted'd out and have read so many articles that I might go blind soon. But I have gathered from all the reports that he is holding pretty strong that he wants to be an OF'er and has softened his stance a bit. What does that mean? Does it now mean he has to be bought out of college now? I dont know...but its a quite a leap to suggest he is open to pitching. “but is very open to pitching”

I have never read that or heard that implied…..I am about drafted’d out and have read so many articles that I might go blind soon.

But I have gathered from all the reports that he is holding pretty strong that he wants to be an OF’er and has softened his stance a bit.

What does that mean? Does it now mean he has to be bought out of college now?

I dont know…but its a quite a leap to suggest he is open to pitching.

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By: Shhh http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/#comment-17746 Shhh Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:25:27 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1258#comment-17746 So he prefers to play CF, but is very open to pitching. Doesn't seem that hard to convince him his future would be best on the mound. AZ, only problem there is a lot of people don't have the patience for that. I personally don't mind it, but people want a player now. So he prefers to play CF, but is very open to pitching. Doesn’t seem that hard to convince him his future would be best on the mound.

AZ, only problem there is a lot of people don’t have the patience for that. I personally don’t mind it, but people want a player now.

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By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/#comment-17744 azruavatar Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:16:08 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1258#comment-17744 Here's a question. Let's say the Cards gamble on Hicks (just an example) as a pitcher. He stone walls them and basically refuses to sign. Given that this is a somewhat weak draft, that would leave us with at least 2 first round picks in 2009. I have no idea what the 2009 draft looks like but if the Cardinals gambled in a situation like that and lost, I think there's a defensible argument that they could come out ahead in that scenario. Here’s a question. Let’s say the Cards gamble on Hicks (just an example) as a pitcher. He stone walls them and basically refuses to sign. Given that this is a somewhat weak draft, that would leave us with at least 2 first round picks in 2009.

I have no idea what the 2009 draft looks like but if the Cardinals gambled in a situation like that and lost, I think there’s a defensible argument that they could come out ahead in that scenario.

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By: Picklefork http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/#comment-17743 Picklefork Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:08:52 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1258#comment-17743 Hicks said this "I'm pitching for my team, but I feel my future is as an outfielder because I have tools others don't have," he said" This was said today. "Aaron Hicks, who has first-round talent as both a center fielder and as a pitcher. Teams prefer him on the mound, and of late he's seemingly softened on his stance that he'd like to begin his career as an everyday player" What is known for sure he is prefers to be an OF'er...now will he hold out for more and end up going to USC if someone wants him as a pitcher only? Hicks said this

“I’m pitching for my team, but I feel my future is as an outfielder because I have tools others don’t have,” he said”

This was said today.

“Aaron Hicks, who has first-round talent as both a center fielder and as a pitcher. Teams prefer him on the mound, and of late he’s seemingly softened on his stance that he’d like to begin his career as an everyday player”

What is known for sure he is prefers to be an OF’er…now will he hold out for more and end up going to USC if someone wants him as a pitcher only?

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By: Shhh http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/#comment-17741 Shhh Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:58:36 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1258#comment-17741 Any chance you have a link so I don't have to take the time to look. Any chance you have a link so I don’t have to take the time to look.

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By: Picklefork http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/#comment-17740 Picklefork Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:55:24 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1258#comment-17740 I have seen that everywhere actually. I have yet to find anywhere that says Hicks will sign if drafted as a pitcher. If that was known..then ya I would welcome his selection at #13...in fact if you look at his scouting video he is w/o a doubt one of the best, if not best, HS arms in this draft. When local scouts give you a Doc Gooden comp...your doing something. I have seen that everywhere actually.

I have yet to find anywhere that says Hicks will sign if drafted as a pitcher.

If that was known..then ya I would welcome his selection at #13…in fact if you look at his scouting video he is w/o a doubt one of the best, if not best, HS arms in this draft.

When local scouts give you a Doc Gooden comp…your doing something.

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By: Shhh http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/#comment-17737 Shhh Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:43:27 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1258#comment-17737 "I would take Hicks at #13 as a pitcher….but he doesnt want to be a pitcher." Where did you see this? I'm pretty sure he'll do whatever that will make him successful. He does it in HS for free, and he won't do it if someone paid him millions of dollars. Just doesn't seem right. Although I've heard others say they won't sign for that same reason, really it's just stupid on the players part. “I would take Hicks at #13 as a pitcher….but he doesnt want to be a pitcher.”

Where did you see this? I’m pretty sure he’ll do whatever that will make him successful. He does it in HS for free, and he won’t do it if someone paid him millions of dollars. Just doesn’t seem right. Although I’ve heard others say they won’t sign for that same reason, really it’s just stupid on the players part.

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By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/mock-draft-mania/#comment-17735 fewgoodcards Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:16:15 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1258#comment-17735 i agree with pickle. if i am drafting hicks at 13 it is as a pitcher. there are just too many questions about his bats to take him that early as a position player. kevin goldstein said today that if hicks didn't pitch he would be nothing more than a back of the first round pick, and i think that is true. i agree with pickle. if i am drafting hicks at 13 it is as a pitcher. there are just too many questions about his bats to take him that early as a position player. kevin goldstein said today that if hicks didn’t pitch he would be nothing more than a back of the first round pick, and i think that is true.

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