Comments on: Joe chat http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:20:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: nomar34 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/#comment-17787 nomar34 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:36:49 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1261#comment-17787 Granted i would like someone with a little more upside but id would take a Delino Deshields type. He was a good everyday second baseman. He was a stolen base machine with a good percentage with above avg ob and slug for a 2b most years. Outside of 3 down years (two of them at the very end of his career) he was one of the best over that time. I could think of a lot worse things. Although, I am still hoping for friedrich! Granted i would like someone with a little more upside but id would take a Delino Deshields type. He was a good everyday second baseman. He was a stolen base machine with a good percentage with above avg ob and slug for a 2b most years. Outside of 3 down years (two of them at the very end of his career) he was one of the best over that time. I could think of a lot worse things. Although, I am still hoping for friedrich!

]]> By: Joe http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/#comment-17781 Joe Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:32:52 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1261#comment-17781 Barden can play 2B. I'll not be happy if we take Weeks at #13. In the supplemental, fine. Let's go with a high ceiling guy @ 13, whoever the team thinks that may be (pitcher or position player). My fear is that they go with a safe pick @ 13, a polished college player who projects as a MLB reliever or #7 hitter. I'm still holding out hope Crow falls to us. Barden can play 2B. I’ll not be happy if we take Weeks at #13. In the supplemental, fine. Let’s go with a high ceiling guy @ 13, whoever the team thinks that may be (pitcher or position player). My fear is that they go with a safe pick @ 13, a polished college player who projects as a MLB reliever or #7 hitter. I’m still holding out hope Crow falls to us.

]]> By: Todd http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/#comment-17771 Todd Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:57:15 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1261#comment-17771 I will be devastated if we end up with Weeks or Gillaspie at 13. Some people have questioned Weeks' ability to stay at second - some scouts think he'll need to move to CF...he's definitely not very polished as a fielder. You can always move a SS prospect to 2B. There tend to be better players/athletes there at HS and college. Not many players that don't project for much power become impact players. Do we want a guy at 13 whose upside is Delino Deshields? Because that's where I think Weeks might be. I saw Gillaspie play today. He's hitting it well, hitting line drives. He doesn't seem to have the power to play 3B in the majors, and he's a little on the smaller size - definitely not an upside pick. Your getting the player he is right now. Please, neither of those guys at 13. I will be devastated if we end up with Weeks or Gillaspie at 13. Some people have questioned Weeks’ ability to stay at second - some scouts think he’ll need to move to CF…he’s definitely not very polished as a fielder. You can always move a SS prospect to 2B. There tend to be better players/athletes there at HS and college. Not many players that don’t project for much power become impact players. Do we want a guy at 13 whose upside is Delino Deshields? Because that’s where I think Weeks might be.

I saw Gillaspie play today. He’s hitting it well, hitting line drives. He doesn’t seem to have the power to play 3B in the majors, and he’s a little on the smaller size - definitely not an upside pick. Your getting the player he is right now. Please, neither of those guys at 13.

]]> By: backwater-bob http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/#comment-17762 backwater-bob Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:59:54 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1261#comment-17762 Brett Lawrie MAY be able to stick at 2B. If he could, he'd be a great player with the kind of bat he has. Brett Lawrie MAY be able to stick at 2B. If he could, he’d be a great player with the kind of bat he has.

]]> By: GForce9 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/#comment-17757 GForce9 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:43:49 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1261#comment-17757 Azru, You are on the money about the Cards' lack of middle infielder depth. Weeks was a name that has been thrown around for the last few months, and I could see him making the jump to Q-C. Pair him up with Kozma, let the duo make their way up the chain! Azru,

You are on the money about the Cards’ lack of middle infielder depth. Weeks was a name that has been thrown around for the last few months, and I could see him making the jump to Q-C. Pair him up with Kozma, let the duo make their way up the chain!

]]> By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/#comment-17738 azruavatar Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:47:59 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1261#comment-17738 I don't like behaving myself on draft day. I'd much rather throw a tantrum. Blech on relievers who the Cardinals don't think can become a starter (i.e.Jess Todd has done remarkably well). And I'd prefer no defensively challenged 1st baseman -- although I could understand that type of pick I still wouldn't like it. I'm still a fan of Jemile Weeks at 13. The organization basically has 1 potential everyday middle infielder in Kozma and that's about it. (I'm still not a Jose Martinez believer.) Even if Weeks is a bit of a reach at 13, I don't think it's an unjustifiable one. I don’t like behaving myself on draft day. I’d much rather throw a tantrum.

Blech on relievers who the Cardinals don’t think can become a starter (i.e.Jess Todd has done remarkably well). And I’d prefer no defensively challenged 1st baseman — although I could understand that type of pick I still wouldn’t like it.

I’m still a fan of Jemile Weeks at 13. The organization basically has 1 potential everyday middle infielder in Kozma and that’s about it. (I’m still not a Jose Martinez believer.) Even if Weeks is a bit of a reach at 13, I don’t think it’s an unjustifiable one.

]]> By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/#comment-17724 Chris Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:32:59 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1261#comment-17724 I couldn't make my point any better than Picklefork did. The Cards have done a great job of replenishing their system with the Dews and Jays of the world. If the Cards take a slap hitter or reliever with the 13th pick I may have to excuse myself from this site for a couple months in order to try and forget about it. I couldn’t make my point any better than Picklefork did. The Cards have done a great job of replenishing their system with the Dews and Jays of the world. If the Cards take a slap hitter or reliever with the 13th pick I may have to excuse myself from this site for a couple months in order to try and forget about it.

]]> By: Picklefork http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/#comment-17721 Picklefork Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:20:51 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1261#comment-17721 Drafted a bunch of RH relievers last year Todd (if starting fails) Eager Reifer Dew Fick T.Maj Then you figure at least one of the Zawacki, Hooker, Blazek guys will be moved to the bullpen. Kudo's to the Cards for being able to draft RH bullpen guys...but when does enough become enough? We have 1 legit LH starter in the sytem (Garcia)...Furnish is 23 in A ball and his K's per 9 have dropped like a rock. Addition is young, but he can barely break a pane of glass with his fastball. LHP is a premium, so are SS's...and to me that is what the Cards lack the most. We have the market cornered on 4th OF's, RHP bullpen guys and scrapy 2B's Drafted a bunch of RH relievers last year

Todd (if starting fails)
Eager
Reifer
Dew
Fick
T.Maj

Then you figure at least one of the Zawacki, Hooker, Blazek guys will be moved to the bullpen.

Kudo’s to the Cards for being able to draft RH bullpen guys…but when does enough become enough?

We have 1 legit LH starter in the sytem (Garcia)…Furnish is 23 in A ball and his K’s per 9 have dropped like a rock.

Addition is young, but he can barely break a pane of glass with his fastball.

LHP is a premium, so are SS’s…and to me that is what the Cards lack the most.

We have the market cornered on 4th OF’s, RHP bullpen guys and scrapy 2B’s

]]> By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/#comment-17718 fewgoodcards Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:48:19 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1261#comment-17718 i don't want fields b/c we basically have him in palm beach right now in francisco samuel. i don’t want fields b/c we basically have him in palm beach right now in francisco samuel.

]]> By: Toddy http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/04/joe-chat/#comment-17717 Toddy Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:39:07 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1261#comment-17717 I'm going to echo the same sentiment - please, PLEASE no relief pitchers in that 13th spot. It's entirely too high in the draft to take a relief arm when our system already has some good bullpen prospects, but lacks another big-time bat to complement Colby and any potential #1 staff aces. The first half of the draft is where you get guys like that. I’m going to echo the same sentiment - please, PLEASE no relief pitchers in that 13th spot. It’s entirely too high in the draft to take a relief arm when our system already has some good bullpen prospects, but lacks another big-time bat to complement Colby and any potential #1 staff aces. The first half of the draft is where you get guys like that.

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