Comments on: Draft rumblings and ramblings http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:27:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: bsbalbrian http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/#comment-17257 bsbalbrian Fri, 23 May 2008 14:49:36 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1206#comment-17257 I've officially jumped on the Ethan Martin bandwagon. I’ve officially jumped on the Ethan Martin bandwagon.

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By: Shhh http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/#comment-17215 Shhh Thu, 22 May 2008 06:13:10 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1206#comment-17215 From Mayo's chat today: "brett0202: Jon, in your new mock Draft, you have both Perry & Cashner going before Fields. I thought Fields was regarded as the best of the 3 and is also a college senior (despite being a Boras guy). Is it that you think Perry & Cashner are viewed higher? Mayo: Sorry that one got cut off a bit, but I don't think the Boras thing factors into it now that Fields is a senior. The difference is that some teams think Perry and Cashner could be starters. With Fields, yes, you get a good short reliever who can move fast. Perry and Cashner have bigger arms than Fields and if you think they can start, they could have front of the rotation potential." So maybe he thinks the Cards may turn Perry into a starter, not sure. Also in that same Mayo chat: "knuckler26: Who has the sickest stuff as a pitcher in the Draft? Mayo: Just on pure stuff, it might have to be Perry. Guy can flat-out throw." Ok, so last thing I'll take from Mayo's chat because it might be somewhat Cardinal related: "draysbay: Where about in the Draft do you see Zach Putnam getting taken, and will it be as a pitcher or hitter? Mayo: Looks like most are looking at Putnam as a pitcher. I don't think he makes it out of the first half of the second round and could even sneak into the back end of the first." http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080521&content_id=2743374&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp Also from Goldstein's chat today (maybe Cardinal related): "HeAdFiRsT (Michigan): Where do you see Zach Putnam as a RHP, is he worth a first round pick? Kevin Goldstein: I've heard no first-round talk on Putnam -- he's more of a good-not-great kind of player who will likely go in the sandwich or second round." "Jim (Bay Area): I am heartbroken with the latest news on Scheppers. Is he still first round material? I've read that there may be more than we know as to the true extent and cause of the injury. Kevin Goldstein: It's really just awful news for him, and from what I can tell, there's no way he's going in the first round." "nb (Illinois): What's your take on Odorizzi? Kevin Goldstein: First-round arm. Size and stuff put him among the top high school pitchers around." http://baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=464 Hopefully thats not too much copying and pasting for you erik (it's all free content, don't worry). From Mayo’s chat today:
“brett0202: Jon, in your new mock Draft, you have both Perry & Cashner going before Fields. I thought Fields was regarded as the best of the 3 and is also a college senior (despite being a Boras guy). Is it that you think Perry & Cashner are viewed higher?

Mayo: Sorry that one got cut off a bit, but I don’t think the Boras thing factors into it now that Fields is a senior. The difference is that some teams think Perry and Cashner could be starters. With Fields, yes, you get a good short reliever who can move fast. Perry and Cashner have bigger arms than Fields and if you think they can start, they could have front of the rotation potential.”

So maybe he thinks the Cards may turn Perry into a starter, not sure. Also in that same Mayo chat:
“knuckler26: Who has the sickest stuff as a pitcher in the Draft?

Mayo: Just on pure stuff, it might have to be Perry. Guy can flat-out throw.”

Ok, so last thing I’ll take from Mayo’s chat because it might be somewhat Cardinal related:
“draysbay: Where about in the Draft do you see Zach Putnam getting taken, and will it be as a pitcher or hitter?

Mayo: Looks like most are looking at Putnam as a pitcher. I don’t think he makes it out of the first half of the second round and could even sneak into the back end of the first.”
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080521&content_id=2743374&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp

Also from Goldstein’s chat today (maybe Cardinal related):
“HeAdFiRsT (Michigan): Where do you see Zach Putnam as a RHP, is he worth a first round pick?
Kevin Goldstein: I’ve heard no first-round talk on Putnam — he’s more of a good-not-great kind of player who will likely go in the sandwich or second round.”

“Jim (Bay Area): I am heartbroken with the latest news on Scheppers. Is he still first round material? I’ve read that there may be more than we know as to the true extent and cause of the injury.
Kevin Goldstein: It’s really just awful news for him, and from what I can tell, there’s no way he’s going in the first round.”

“nb (Illinois): What’s your take on Odorizzi?
Kevin Goldstein: First-round arm. Size and stuff put him among the top high school pitchers around.”
http://baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=464

Hopefully thats not too much copying and pasting for you erik (it’s all free content, don’t worry).

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By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/#comment-17211 fewgoodcards Thu, 22 May 2008 03:36:50 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1206#comment-17211 toddy, tyler greene was anything but a polished college bat. he was a high risk college bat. the polished college bat that was available at that pick was travis buck. as for what they would do if the top 4 pitchers are gone, i think alonso would also be gone. i think i would take brett wallace just b/c i have no doubt that he will mash his way to the big leagues. another possibility would be grabbing jake odorizzi, but i doubt they would. i think in that scenario they take a guy like cashner and convert him to a starter or go way off the board and surprise everybody. toddy, tyler greene was anything but a polished college bat. he was a high risk college bat. the polished college bat that was available at that pick was travis buck.

as for what they would do if the top 4 pitchers are gone, i think alonso would also be gone. i think i would take brett wallace just b/c i have no doubt that he will mash his way to the big leagues. another possibility would be grabbing jake odorizzi, but i doubt they would.

i think in that scenario they take a guy like cashner and convert him to a starter or go way off the board and surprise everybody.

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By: Bill http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/#comment-17210 Bill Thu, 22 May 2008 02:11:18 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1206#comment-17210 I'd be very unhappy to see a reliever drafted in the first round. Pretty much by definition, they're not high-leverage guys, and you really want the first-round choice to be a potential high-leverage player -- even if there is some risk involved. To me, ideal would be to see Hunt or Friedrich drop into the #13 slot because of some earlier team getting infatuated with someone and overdrafting. If they get one of those guys, then if Scheppers is still available the next time it's their turn, take a flyer on him, weird shoulder injury or no weird shoulder injury; see previous comment about high leverage with risk. I’d be very unhappy to see a reliever drafted in the first round. Pretty much by definition, they’re not high-leverage guys, and you really want the first-round choice to be a potential high-leverage player — even if there is some risk involved.

To me, ideal would be to see Hunt or Friedrich drop into the #13 slot because of some earlier team getting infatuated with someone and overdrafting. If they get one of those guys, then if Scheppers is still available the next time it’s their turn, take a flyer on him, weird shoulder injury or no weird shoulder injury; see previous comment about high leverage with risk.

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By: picklefork http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/#comment-17205 picklefork Wed, 21 May 2008 22:11:20 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1206#comment-17205 I really dont think the GM change will make much difference...from all acounts Jocketty didnt have much input. The budget dictates what they take..b/c like most things in life you get what you pay for. If you want the better talent you have to pay for...and that usually means going over slot to buy out college from the HS kids. The Cards have righted the ship, they now have a margin for error they didnt have in past to take chances on players. But it will come down to what Dewitt gives Luhnow...just like we used to talk about how Jocketty worked magic with a limited budget...same can be said for Luhnow. Jocketty didnt play into why they passed on Porcello......the budget did. I really dont think the GM change will make much difference…from all acounts Jocketty didnt have much input.

The budget dictates what they take..b/c like most things in life you get what you pay for.

If you want the better talent you have to pay for…and that usually means going over slot to buy out college from the HS kids.

The Cards have righted the ship, they now have a margin for error they didnt have in past to take chances on players.

But it will come down to what Dewitt gives Luhnow…just like we used to talk about how Jocketty worked magic with a limited budget…same can be said for Luhnow.

Jocketty didnt play into why they passed on Porcello……the budget did.

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By: lassie01 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/#comment-17204 lassie01 Wed, 21 May 2008 21:52:29 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1206#comment-17204 I onestly hadn't thougth of that Toddy, it makes sense although I think a lot of the high floor/low ceiling picks in recent years came from the systems overall lack of depth. I'm hoping now that there are a few more bullets in the gun Luhnow and Co will go for more high ceiling guys on Day 1, not just towards the end of the draft. I onestly hadn’t thougth of that Toddy, it makes sense although I think a lot of the high floor/low ceiling picks in recent years came from the systems overall lack of depth. I’m hoping now that there are a few more bullets in the gun Luhnow and Co will go for more high ceiling guys on Day 1, not just towards the end of the draft.

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By: Toddy http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/#comment-17203 Toddy Wed, 21 May 2008 21:09:02 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1206#comment-17203 With Mozeliak now in that GM spot, I wonder if Luhnow will draft differently without Walt over his shoulder. (i.e. if he has a bit more freedom to truly take the best player he thinks is available). Case in point - if the Cards do opt for a college bat like Wallace, Alonso or Gillaspie, they will be breaking away from their traditional model of drafting. Anyway, I'll just be curious to see how our draft shapes up. With Mozeliak now in that GM spot, I wonder if Luhnow will draft differently without Walt over his shoulder. (i.e. if he has a bit more freedom to truly take the best player he thinks is available). Case in point - if the Cards do opt for a college bat like Wallace, Alonso or Gillaspie, they will be breaking away from their traditional model of drafting. Anyway, I’ll just be curious to see how our draft shapes up.

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By: picklefork http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/#comment-17201 picklefork Wed, 21 May 2008 20:55:40 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1206#comment-17201 As I posted on CardsTalk...today was the first time I got to see D.J. Mitchell from Clemson pitch. If he isnt a Cardinal pick at some point on drafty day....it will be completely blown away. If the Cards think Wallace can play 3B or LF...he becomes a viable pick at #13. I still think Friedrich if he is there at #13 is the best pick...the K per 9, the BAA, the hitch free delivery and the fact he is LH, only 20 and showed great success at the Cape..makes him an ideal pick. This franchise needs an influx of LH starters who actually project as starters not LOOGY's Great discussion guys....this is def becoming the goto site for anything Cards related. As I posted on CardsTalk…today was the first time I got to see D.J. Mitchell from Clemson pitch.

If he isnt a Cardinal pick at some point on drafty day….it will be completely blown away.

If the Cards think Wallace can play 3B or LF…he becomes a viable pick at #13.

I still think Friedrich if he is there at #13 is the best pick…the K per 9, the BAA, the hitch free delivery and the fact he is LH, only 20 and showed great success at the Cape..makes him an ideal pick.

This franchise needs an influx of LH starters who actually project as starters not LOOGY’s

Great discussion guys….this is def becoming the goto site for anything Cards related.

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By: Joe http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/#comment-17200 Joe Wed, 21 May 2008 20:46:26 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1206#comment-17200 A poster over at Cardstalk is saying that Amaury Marti has been shipped back to Mexico and may have been released: http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=541323 Given that the AAA outfield is crowded with young prospects and Marti is over the hill, it make sense. But I was pulling for him just the same. A poster over at Cardstalk is saying that Amaury Marti has been shipped back to Mexico and may have been released:
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=541323

Given that the AAA outfield is crowded with young prospects and Marti is over the hill, it make sense. But I was pulling for him just the same.

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By: Toddy http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/draft-rumblings-and-ramblings/#comment-17199 Toddy Wed, 21 May 2008 20:26:24 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1206#comment-17199 Friedrich would be a good choice. . .as would Shooter Hunt. I just don't see them taking a polished college bat, because they NEVER go that route. In fact, the most recent high pick that fit that profile was Tyler Greene, and we all know how that worked out. Wallace's bat/body screams "Lance Berkman" to me, and like Berkman I think he'll be a combo 1B/OF. Don't see him at 3B. He just doesn't fit the Cards model, but then again neither did Daric Barton. I love Alonso, but I think he'll go the way of LaPorta and get snatched up early by one of those teams who falls in love with his OBP. I think the only college bat that would tempt StL is if G. Beckham slid to us, but I don't see that happening. Conor Gillaspie, perhaps? In the sandwich round, I'm willing to bet we'll take another pitcher, but I would love to get a guy like James Darnell of South Carolina into the organization. Don't know about his glove, however. Friedrich would be a good choice. . .as would Shooter Hunt. I just don’t see them taking a polished college bat, because they NEVER go that route. In fact, the most recent high pick that fit that profile was Tyler Greene, and we all know how that worked out. Wallace’s bat/body screams “Lance Berkman” to me, and like Berkman I think he’ll be a combo 1B/OF. Don’t see him at 3B. He just doesn’t fit the Cards model, but then again neither did Daric Barton. I love Alonso, but I think he’ll go the way of LaPorta and get snatched up early by one of those teams who falls in love with his OBP. I think the only college bat that would tempt StL is if G. Beckham slid to us, but I don’t see that happening. Conor Gillaspie, perhaps?

In the sandwich round, I’m willing to bet we’ll take another pitcher, but I would love to get a guy like James Darnell of South Carolina into the organization. Don’t know about his glove, however.

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