Comments on: Daily Farm Report 5/20/08 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:27:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/#comment-17209 erik Thu, 22 May 2008 00:06:04 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1208#comment-17209 I'm sure they won't. I'm starting to think there is Melville the kid, and Melville the Myth. I’m sure they won’t. I’m starting to think there is Melville the kid, and Melville the Myth.

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By: giveml http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/#comment-17208 giveml Wed, 21 May 2008 23:57:51 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1208#comment-17208 I generally like the notion of picking a high-upside HS pitcher early in the draft, but I don't know who fits that bill. Tim Melville pitched in our town last night against a scrappy, senior-laden team with no hitting prospects above NAIA. His numbers wer not particularly impressive: 5 2/3 IP, 5H, 6BB, 1ER, don't know how many Ks. My son watched him pitch. Now, he is no scout, but he was a 1st team class 4 all-state pitcher and pitches D1 right now (at least when his elbow isn't barking). He played summer ball with Max Scherzer and Nathan Culp and has competed against the likes of Kyle Drabek. He said Melville is a "max effort" guy who couldn't throw a fastball in the zone past a slightly better than average high school team, had a lazy curveball, and a mostly non-existent change. Melville threw in the low-90s when he faced him during Melville's freshman year and my son says he looked about the same yesterday. I have concerns about a kid who hasn't picked up significant velocity from 15 to 18. I hope the kid has a great career and all that, but I will be crushed if the Cardinals waste a 13th overall pick on him. I generally like the notion of picking a high-upside HS pitcher early in the draft, but I don’t know who fits that bill.

Tim Melville pitched in our town last night against a scrappy, senior-laden team with no hitting prospects above NAIA. His numbers wer not particularly impressive: 5 2/3 IP, 5H, 6BB, 1ER, don’t know how many Ks.

My son watched him pitch. Now, he is no scout, but he was a 1st team class 4 all-state pitcher and pitches D1 right now (at least when his elbow isn’t barking). He played summer ball with Max Scherzer and Nathan Culp and has competed against the likes of Kyle Drabek.

He said Melville is a “max effort” guy who couldn’t throw a fastball in the zone past a slightly better than average high school team, had a lazy curveball, and a mostly non-existent change.

Melville threw in the low-90s when he faced him during Melville’s freshman year and my son says he looked about the same yesterday. I have concerns about a kid who hasn’t picked up significant velocity from 15 to 18.

I hope the kid has a great career and all that, but I will be crushed if the Cardinals waste a 13th overall pick on him.

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By: Jeffery http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/#comment-17206 Jeffery Wed, 21 May 2008 23:24:38 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1208#comment-17206 Springfield has added Mikrut and Sadlowski from Palm Beach. Daniels sent to the Mexican League. Zimmerman released. Robinson is back in the line up tonight with Hill catching. Springfield has added Mikrut and Sadlowski from Palm Beach. Daniels sent to the Mexican League. Zimmerman released. Robinson is back in the line up tonight with Hill catching.

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By: Jared http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/#comment-17196 Jared Wed, 21 May 2008 20:00:22 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1208#comment-17196 Interesting note: BA just released their top 100 with scouting reports today and I noticed that they say Alonso is limited to first base only. I wanted to cross-reference this, so I checked his page on minorleaguebaseball.com and the guy in the video says the same thing. If this is true, I would say that it eliminated any chance of the Cardinals grabbing him. Interesting note: BA just released their top 100 with scouting reports today and I noticed that they say Alonso is limited to first base only. I wanted to cross-reference this, so I checked his page on minorleaguebaseball.com and the guy in the video says the same thing. If this is true, I would say that it eliminated any chance of the Cardinals grabbing him.

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By: Hugo http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/#comment-17195 Hugo Wed, 21 May 2008 19:23:27 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1208#comment-17195 Memphis just batted around in the 7th. Jimenez made the 1st and 3rd outs. Rasmus walked but got erased by Anderson grounding into a force out. He just can't get any luck, from what I understand he has 2 line drive outs to go with that walk. Once his balls find holes I think he will blast open. Memphis just batted around in the 7th. Jimenez made the 1st and 3rd outs. Rasmus walked but got erased by Anderson grounding into a force out. He just can’t get any luck, from what I understand he has 2 line drive outs to go with that walk. Once his balls find holes I think he will blast open.

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By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/#comment-17190 erik Wed, 21 May 2008 18:03:25 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1208#comment-17190 I'd rather them focus in players up the middle myself, but that doesn't seem to be the way this draft is shaping up, at least not in the first round. I happen to think Wallace and Alonso could put up some pretty good numbers. Wallace I think is more like Butler of the Royals, while I'm not sure Alonso reminds me of...Albert-lite? I mean, he just has an unbelievable eye and good power too. I'm pretty sure he'll be gone by the time the Cards pick anyway. I’d rather them focus in players up the middle myself, but that doesn’t seem to be the way this draft is shaping up, at least not in the first round. I happen to think Wallace and Alonso could put up some pretty good numbers. Wallace I think is more like Butler of the Royals, while I’m not sure Alonso reminds me of…Albert-lite? I mean, he just has an unbelievable eye and good power too. I’m pretty sure he’ll be gone by the time the Cards pick anyway.

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By: Jared http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/#comment-17189 Jared Wed, 21 May 2008 17:54:51 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1208#comment-17189 Shhh, that is whay I said "with their very early picks." With their first rounder pick the Cardinals have taken a high school player 2 of the last three years." Erik, that comment was not directed at you or anyone else in particular. It is just a general feeling that you get from people who follow prospects. There's always this distorted view about how great high school players are and that taking a college player is always being conservative. For me, I think the teams who ignore any of that stuff and focus on what the player actually is consistently do the best in their draft. Generally, I would prefer the Cardinals take position players with their first rounder and then draft pitchers from there and find gems based on volume. Also, I don't think teams should draft for need in MLB, but I'm honestly not crazy about another guy to be an outfielder unless they honestly see and believe that he can rake like Laporta. Optimally, middle infied prospects are the most valuable, but I really don't think the Cardinals have a great shot at getting the premium guys at those position. All in all, I trust Lurnow. He's earned the benefit of the doubt from me (at least for now) regardless of what direction they go. Shhh, that is whay I said “with their very early picks.” With their first rounder pick the Cardinals have taken a high school player 2 of the last three years.”

Erik, that comment was not directed at you or anyone else in particular. It is just a general feeling that you get from people who follow prospects. There’s always this distorted view about how great high school players are and that taking a college player is always being conservative. For me, I think the teams who ignore any of that stuff and focus on what the player actually is consistently do the best in their draft.

Generally, I would prefer the Cardinals take position players with their first rounder and then draft pitchers from there and find gems based on volume. Also, I don’t think teams should draft for need in MLB, but I’m honestly not crazy about another guy to be an outfielder unless they honestly see and believe that he can rake like Laporta. Optimally, middle infied prospects are the most valuable, but I really don’t think the Cardinals have a great shot at getting the premium guys at those position. All in all, I trust Lurnow. He’s earned the benefit of the doubt from me (at least for now) regardless of what direction they go.

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By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/#comment-17188 erik Wed, 21 May 2008 17:37:00 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1208#comment-17188 I don't have any disdain for the college pitchers, I would be please with Friedrich, moderately happy with Hunt but I have some concerns about him and as much as Crow has a lot of wow factor, I fear for his health. Scheppers was my #1 guy I thought might be around at 13, and now he certainly will...not sure what to make of his injury, though. My preference would be for a big time college hitter, perhaps because of the success we've seen with some of them like Matt LaPorta. Ultimately I think we end up with Friedrich, which would be fine with me. I don’t have any disdain for the college pitchers, I would be please with Friedrich, moderately happy with Hunt but I have some concerns about him and as much as Crow has a lot of wow factor, I fear for his health.

Scheppers was my #1 guy I thought might be around at 13, and now he certainly will…not sure what to make of his injury, though.

My preference would be for a big time college hitter, perhaps because of the success we’ve seen with some of them like Matt LaPorta. Ultimately I think we end up with Friedrich, which would be fine with me.

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By: Shhh http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/#comment-17187 Shhh Wed, 21 May 2008 17:27:46 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1208#comment-17187 "Furthermore, since Lurhnow has taken over the Cards have actually been pretty balanced between high school and college players, at least with their very early picks." Really? They have picked one HS player in the top 230 picks the past two drafts. A total of 18 picks. And yeah I cherry-picked 230 and left out 2005. But I honestly don't think Luhnow was giving anything away in this piece. There is no reason for him to hint to anyone other than people inside the FO who they might take. And damn you Scheppers for getting hurt. “Furthermore, since Lurhnow has taken over the Cards have actually been pretty balanced between high school and college players, at least with their very early picks.”

Really? They have picked one HS player in the top 230 picks the past two drafts. A total of 18 picks. And yeah I cherry-picked 230 and left out 2005.

But I honestly don’t think Luhnow was giving anything away in this piece. There is no reason for him to hint to anyone other than people inside the FO who they might take. And damn you Scheppers for getting hurt.

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By: Jared http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/21/daily-farm-report-52008/#comment-17186 Jared Wed, 21 May 2008 16:43:44 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1208#comment-17186 If you read what Jeff actually said he made the comment that there's a good chance that the Cardinals would go in the College Pitcher Direction. He didn't say they were focussing on it. In fact, he also directly commented that after the top 3-4 guys there was a sig. dropoff in the College pitcher ranks and that should answer your question about those guys being off the board. Also, after reading the article, personally I believe it is being over-blown. The Cards may well go in that direction, but nothing Lurhnow said in that interview made me believe it is a forgone conclusion. Furthermore, since Lurhnow has taken over the Cards have actually been pretty balanced between high school and college players, at least with their very early picks. I think Jeff was doing his best to avoid giving anything away actually and wouldn't have expected any different answer even if they hated all the college arms. I don't get the disdain for college arms either. I read Baseball America, etc. too and despite their tendency to favor high school players for upside -- BA's very own research indicates that you're pretty much equally likely to get a good player either way you go. I'd love a toolsy high school kid, but would he be just the next Daryl Jones or the other end and be Colby Rasmus? I try to judge players based on what I perceive them to be and not what age or school level they are at. Last year, I wanted the Cardinals to take Porcello. This year, I like Christian Friedrich. If you read what Jeff actually said he made the comment that there’s a good chance that the Cardinals would go in the College Pitcher Direction. He didn’t say they were focussing on it. In fact, he also directly commented that after the top 3-4 guys there was a sig. dropoff in the College pitcher ranks and that should answer your question about those guys being off the board.

Also, after reading the article, personally I believe it is being over-blown. The Cards may well go in that direction, but nothing Lurhnow said in that interview made me believe it is a forgone conclusion. Furthermore, since Lurhnow has taken over the Cards have actually been pretty balanced between high school and college players, at least with their very early picks. I think Jeff was doing his best to avoid giving anything away actually and wouldn’t have expected any different answer even if they hated all the college arms.

I don’t get the disdain for college arms either. I read Baseball America, etc. too and despite their tendency to favor high school players for upside — BA’s very own research indicates that you’re pretty much equally likely to get a good player either way you go. I’d love a toolsy high school kid, but would he be just the next Daryl Jones or the other end and be Colby Rasmus?

I try to judge players based on what I perceive them to be and not what age or school level they are at. Last year, I wanted the Cardinals to take Porcello. This year, I like Christian Friedrich.

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