Comments on: Daily Farm Report 5/5/08 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:21:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: BigJawnMize http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/#comment-16592 BigJawnMize Tue, 06 May 2008 20:26:08 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1159#comment-16592 Thanks AZ, I thought there was a time limit for rehad stints. There has to be a little more to the disable list than meets the eye. It would appear that they could put cycle him on the 15 day DL then start a 30 day rehab stint ad infinitum. I was thinking though that for the sake of the teams roster places they will need to stick him on the 60 man DL and free up a 40 man roster spot for one of the kids that might not be on the roster but could play this year. Either way he is toast... BJM Thanks AZ,

I thought there was a time limit for rehad stints. There has to be a little more to the disable list than meets the eye. It would appear that they could put cycle him on the 15 day DL then start a 30 day rehab stint ad infinitum. I was thinking though that for the sake of the teams roster places they will need to stick him on the 60 man DL and free up a 40 man roster spot for one of the kids that might not be on the roster but could play this year.

Either way he is toast…

BJM

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By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/#comment-16591 azruavatar Tue, 06 May 2008 20:10:22 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1159#comment-16591 BJM - rehab stints are limited to 30 days. Mulder's first start was on April 15th so they have a little time left before they have to DL him again or recall him to STL. I think they can simply put him back on the DL if they wish. BJM - rehab stints are limited to 30 days. Mulder’s first start was on April 15th so they have a little time left before they have to DL him again or recall him to STL. I think they can simply put him back on the DL if they wish.

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By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/#comment-16590 azruavatar Tue, 06 May 2008 20:08:28 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1159#comment-16590 Mike - 1. Don't know about this one unless they wanted Marti's defense out in RF. Dan Fox's SFR really liked him as a corner outfielder so that's possible. It's also possible they're still being cautious with Mather's back. 2. I didn't list that he walked anyone in those three innings but I didn't call it out specifically. I don't think I ever list "0BB" in the reports because (if i don't list it) I assume that it's recognized that there weren't any. If not, that's why we link to the box scores. As for the walks in a more general sense, I'm thrilled he didn't walk anyone in 3 innings but those innings don't negate the fact that control has been the thematic problem for McCormick. I'm not trying to overlook the fact that he walked no one, but neither am I going to champion 3 innings as problem solved. It's a fine balance between pointing out the night's events and trying to offer some big picture type insight on a daily basis. Mike -

1. Don’t know about this one unless they wanted Marti’s defense out in RF. Dan Fox’s SFR really liked him as a corner outfielder so that’s possible. It’s also possible they’re still being cautious with Mather’s back.
2. I didn’t list that he walked anyone in those three innings but I didn’t call it out specifically. I don’t think I ever list “0BB” in the reports because (if i don’t list it) I assume that it’s recognized that there weren’t any. If not, that’s why we link to the box scores. As for the walks in a more general sense, I’m thrilled he didn’t walk anyone in 3 innings but those innings don’t negate the fact that control has been the thematic problem for McCormick. I’m not trying to overlook the fact that he walked no one, but neither am I going to champion 3 innings as problem solved. It’s a fine balance between pointing out the night’s events and trying to offer some big picture type insight on a daily basis.

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By: Mike http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/#comment-16589 Mike Tue, 06 May 2008 19:54:52 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1159#comment-16589 There were two significant omissions in the current report: 1. Marti pinch hit for Mather in the eighth inning of a close game, not a normal occurrence, particularly since both are righthanded. Why? Did Mather re-injure himself? 2. You stated that walks have been a continual problem for McCormick, but then curiously failed to note that in his three scoreless innings last night he walked no one. There were two significant omissions in the current report:

1. Marti pinch hit for Mather in the eighth inning of a close game, not a normal occurrence, particularly since both are righthanded. Why? Did Mather re-injure himself?
2. You stated that walks have been a continual problem for McCormick, but then curiously failed to note that in his three scoreless innings last night he walked no one.

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By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/#comment-16582 fewgoodcards Tue, 06 May 2008 17:30:34 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1159#comment-16582 he wasn't throwing 85 last night, he was consistently 88-89 which is plenty of velocity for a lefty. his problem was just what he said, he would spot a couple of fastballs perfectly and they wouldn't even be close to hitting them then he would leave a fat one. his offspeed stuff wasn't sharp either. i think there is still a chance he can be a useful pitcher, but he has a lot of work left to do to get his command back and regain the feel on his secondary offerings. he wasn’t throwing 85 last night, he was consistently 88-89 which is plenty of velocity for a lefty. his problem was just what he said, he would spot a couple of fastballs perfectly and they wouldn’t even be close to hitting them then he would leave a fat one. his offspeed stuff wasn’t sharp either. i think there is still a chance he can be a useful pitcher, but he has a lot of work left to do to get his command back and regain the feel on his secondary offerings.

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By: BigJawnMize http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/#comment-16581 BigJawnMize Tue, 06 May 2008 17:30:03 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1159#comment-16581 That is what I was wondering? Can they just move him to the 60-day DL and forget about him for most of the season? I am right that they have to make a decision, they can't just leave him on a rehab stint for ever. That is basically designating him for assignment and he can refuse that. That is what I was wondering? Can they just move him to the 60-day DL and forget about him for most of the season? I am right that they have to make a decision, they can’t just leave him on a rehab stint for ever. That is basically designating him for assignment and he can refuse that.

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By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/#comment-16580 azruavatar Tue, 06 May 2008 17:20:03 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1159#comment-16580 Mulder's <a href="http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/may/06/mulder-upbeat-despite-mistakes/" rel="nofollow">own quotes</a> should tell him he's largely done as a pitcher: <i>''The minute I made a mistake over the plate, they'd hit it,'' Mulder said. ''I'd make two or three good pitches and then that one mistake, I'd throw a sinker away and I'd hit a little too much plate and they'd hit it to right field.''</i> That's what happens when you're throwing 85mph slop over the plate. And Mozeliak seemed to sneak in a sting: <i>''Obviously, it wasn't an outing where he could just breeze through it. I feel at times it lacked a little effort, or intensity may be the right word. There's still some work to be done.''</i> The article goes on to note that Mulder isn't experiencing any pain in his shoulder. I seem to recall him saying he had no pain just before he landed on the operating table though. They'll put him on the DL before they simply release him but I can't forsee that option getting picked up. Mulder’s own quotes should tell him he’s largely done as a pitcher:

”The minute I made a mistake over the plate, they’d hit it,” Mulder said. ”I’d make two or three good pitches and then that one mistake, I’d throw a sinker away and I’d hit a little too much plate and they’d hit it to right field.”

That’s what happens when you’re throwing 85mph slop over the plate. And Mozeliak seemed to sneak in a sting:

”Obviously, it wasn’t an outing where he could just breeze through it. I feel at times it lacked a little effort, or intensity may be the right word. There’s still some work to be done.”

The article goes on to note that Mulder isn’t experiencing any pain in his shoulder. I seem to recall him saying he had no pain just before he landed on the operating table though. They’ll put him on the DL before they simply release him but I can’t forsee that option getting picked up.

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By: JMedwick http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/#comment-16578 JMedwick Tue, 06 May 2008 16:03:33 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1159#comment-16578 ^ Time to pencil that one into the old schedule as the night Dan Haren pitches a perfect game. ^ Time to pencil that one into the old schedule as the night Dan Haren pitches a perfect game.

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By: redbirdavenger http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/#comment-16577 redbirdavenger Tue, 06 May 2008 15:35:12 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1159#comment-16577 On releasing Mulder - the cons seem to far outweigh the pros. In fact, I can't really think of any pros except "no more worrying about Mulder." Listen, when you barely pitch over the course of two years, you simply don't regain your ability to pitch, your arm strength, your true mechanics in a few weeks or even months - it takes more time. This isn't 'spring training' for a guy who pitched all of last year - it's 'spring training' for a guy who has had two major surgeries in the last year, whose mechanics have been jacked up for a long time. It's going to take much longer than people think. We've made an investment in Mulder, and we may as well follow through. What happens if he needs a couple more months, but he's where he needs to be around the All-Star break? We might as well keep him and hope that the 'real' Mark Mulder returns, rather than him haunting us as a Dodger or something in the fall. Besides, we're playing the D-Backs a bunch in September, and I think fate is mapping out a Mulder vs. Haren showdown... On releasing Mulder - the cons seem to far outweigh the pros. In fact, I can’t really think of any pros except “no more worrying about Mulder.”

Listen, when you barely pitch over the course of two years, you simply don’t regain your ability to pitch, your arm strength, your true mechanics in a few weeks or even months - it takes more time. This isn’t ’spring training’ for a guy who pitched all of last year - it’s ’spring training’ for a guy who has had two major surgeries in the last year, whose mechanics have been jacked up for a long time.

It’s going to take much longer than people think.

We’ve made an investment in Mulder, and we may as well follow through. What happens if he needs a couple more months, but he’s where he needs to be around the All-Star break? We might as well keep him and hope that the ‘real’ Mark Mulder returns, rather than him haunting us as a Dodger or something in the fall.

Besides, we’re playing the D-Backs a bunch in September, and I think fate is mapping out a Mulder vs. Haren showdown…

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By: mikedallas23 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/05/05/daily-farm-report-5508/#comment-16576 mikedallas23 Tue, 06 May 2008 15:18:47 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=1159#comment-16576 Assuming we don't just release Mulder outright (which I wouldn't be opposed to at this point), can we send him to the 15-day DL again and give him another rehad stint in the minors after that? Assuming we don’t just release Mulder outright (which I wouldn’t be opposed to at this point), can we send him to the 15-day DL again and give him another rehad stint in the minors after that?

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