Comments on: Kevin Goldstein Organizational Rankings http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:27:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Nicholas http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/#comment-15027 Nicholas Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:53:45 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=978#comment-15027 Awesome erik! I have been suggesting Rick Ankiel for the Not a Rookie segment. Awesome erik! I have been suggesting Rick Ankiel for the Not a Rookie segment.

]]> By: Ryan http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/#comment-15014 Ryan Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:27:03 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=978#comment-15014 Toot away, Erik. I think it's a great idea. Toot away, Erik. I think it’s a great idea.

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/#comment-15011 erik Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:32:48 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=978#comment-15011 Nick, Ryan...not to toot my own horn, but when sickels was asking for ideas i suggested- http://minorleagueball.com/comments/2008/3/7/174642/2921/5#5 maybe it'll be a regular feature going forward. :) Nick, Ryan…not to toot my own horn, but when sickels was asking for ideas i suggested-

http://minorleagueball.com/comments/2008/3/7/174642/2921/5#5

maybe it’ll be a regular feature going forward. :)

]]> By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/#comment-15010 azruavatar Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:15:21 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=978#comment-15010 <i>To say a team is “underated” by this analysis doesn´t make any sense to me.</i> A team would be underrated because the assumption that the method makes is after the Top 11 all things are equal. Obviously, we know all things aren't equal and a team like the Rays who may have a few more 3-star prospects would be underrated relative to teams that have already exahusted theirs in the Top 11. The example you give is an obvious hyperbole but it's one that I recognized in the caveats. I'm not using the term underrated in the general sense, but in the sense that relative to KG's organizational rankings where he's taking the whole system into account presumably, you could see a club being underrated by my method. To say a team is “underated” by this analysis doesn´t make any sense to me.

A team would be underrated because the assumption that the method makes is after the Top 11 all things are equal. Obviously, we know all things aren’t equal and a team like the Rays who may have a few more 3-star prospects would be underrated relative to teams that have already exahusted theirs in the Top 11. The example you give is an obvious hyperbole but it’s one that I recognized in the caveats.

I’m not using the term underrated in the general sense, but in the sense that relative to KG’s organizational rankings where he’s taking the whole system into account presumably, you could see a club being underrated by my method.

]]> By: cariocacardinal http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/#comment-15009 cariocacardinal Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:42:55 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=978#comment-15009 The problem with this analysis is that Goldstein only ranks 11 propsects. One team could have 10 additional #3 prospects and it wouldn´t show up here so it is almost comparing apples and oranges. The only thing you are doing is showing how having top propsects correlates to overall rankings. To say a team is "underated" by this analysis doesn´t make any sense to me. They are what they are -- it is simply a correlation that you are looking at. The problem with this analysis is that Goldstein only ranks 11 propsects. One team could have 10 additional #3 prospects and it wouldn´t show up here so it is almost comparing apples and oranges. The only thing you are doing is showing how having top propsects correlates to overall rankings. To say a team is “underated” by this analysis doesn´t make any sense to me. They are what they are — it is simply a correlation that you are looking at.

]]> By: Ryan http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/#comment-15008 Ryan Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:28:11 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=978#comment-15008 Allen Craig is the Unsung Prospect over at Minor League Ball. It doesn't fit in this post, but I figured it was worth mentioning. Allen Craig is the Unsung Prospect over at Minor League Ball. It doesn’t fit in this post, but I figured it was worth mentioning.

]]> By: Nicholas http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/#comment-15007 Nicholas Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:21:52 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=978#comment-15007 Nice little Allen Craig writeup from John Sickels: http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2008/3/11/125558/822#commenttop His take is similar to ours here that Craig may not have tools that wow you but he has been productive nonetheless. Nice little Allen Craig writeup from John Sickels:

http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2008/3/11/125558/822#commenttop

His take is similar to ours here that Craig may not have tools that wow you but he has been productive nonetheless.

]]> By: Nicholas http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/#comment-15006 Nicholas Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:12:59 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=978#comment-15006 I think this somewhat backs up my earlier assertion that the Yankee and Red Sox prospects are being overrated. I think this somewhat backs up my earlier assertion that the Yankee and Red Sox prospects are being overrated.

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/#comment-15005 erik Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:32:00 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=978#comment-15005 The dreaded east coast bias! It rears it's ugly head with the Red Sox and Yankees! The dreaded east coast bias! It rears it’s ugly head with the Red Sox and Yankees!

]]> By: Arch Support http://futureredbirds.com/2008/03/10/kevin-goldstein-organizational-rankings/#comment-15004 Arch Support Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:20:01 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=978#comment-15004 Great analysis. I'd be interested to hear what Goldstein's feedback on your work would be, AZ. Any way you could drop him a line? Also, has KG ever established what his criteria are for his "star" rankings? If it's just his subjective opinion and all, that's fine. I'm just curious what differentiates, say, a high 3 star and a low 4 star. Great analysis.

I’d be interested to hear what Goldstein’s feedback on your work would be, AZ. Any way you could drop him a line?

Also, has KG ever established what his criteria are for his “star” rankings? If it’s just his subjective opinion and all, that’s fine. I’m just curious what differentiates, say, a high 3 star and a low 4 star.

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