Comments on: Grapefruity action http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:26:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: GOOCH http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/#comment-14785 GOOCH Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:01:28 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=958#comment-14785 I'm certainly rooting for Skip. The better he plays, the more likely he is to be traded for real value rather than released. It's a numbers game. We can't keep all of Ankiel, Duncan, Barton, Shumaker, Ludwick, Gonzalez in the Cardinals organization (assuming Gonzalez wouldn't accept a minor league assignment)...so someone has to go. Skip is out of options. I'd rather we got something for him than nothing. D.GOOCH I’m certainly rooting for Skip. The better he plays, the more likely he is to be traded for real value rather than released. It’s a numbers game. We can’t keep all of Ankiel, Duncan, Barton, Shumaker, Ludwick, Gonzalez in the Cardinals organization (assuming Gonzalez wouldn’t accept a minor league assignment)…so someone has to go. Skip is out of options. I’d rather we got something for him than nothing. D.GOOCH

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/#comment-14779 erik Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:03:33 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=958#comment-14779 SERENITY NOW!!! spring training stats don't matter...spring training stats don't matter...spring training stats don't matter. SERENITY NOW!!!

spring training stats don’t matter…spring training stats don’t matter…spring training stats don’t matter.

]]> By: Shhh http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/#comment-14778 Shhh Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:24:04 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=958#comment-14778 Well Juan Gone hits a 3 run HR off Santana, just to irk Erik some more. Well Juan Gone hits a 3 run HR off Santana, just to irk Erik some more.

]]> By: Forsch31 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/#comment-14777 Forsch31 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:02:01 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=958#comment-14777 'Course LaRussa could carry five outfielders again, which would include both Juan and Barton (along with Ludwck, Ankiel, and Duncan). Given the youth and inexperience of that outfield, I would think that would have to be necessary. It means Rasmus goes back to Memphis, which actually is my preference. Let him come during the year (so the Cards control his rights a bit longer). Barton would fulfill the lead-off issue that Rasmus would, while Juan provides some power off the bench. Ryan stays to play third, second, and short, and Phelps is the injury call-up for Pujols. All that's possible. Breaking this down to an "either-or" situation is limiting and, given the uncertain status of many aspects of the roster, unrealistic. ‘Course LaRussa could carry five outfielders again, which would include both Juan and Barton (along with Ludwck, Ankiel, and Duncan). Given the youth and inexperience of that outfield, I would think that would have to be necessary. It means Rasmus goes back to Memphis, which actually is my preference. Let him come during the year (so the Cards control his rights a bit longer). Barton would fulfill the lead-off issue that Rasmus would, while Juan provides some power off the bench. Ryan stays to play third, second, and short, and Phelps is the injury call-up for Pujols. All that’s possible.

Breaking this down to an “either-or” situation is limiting and, given the uncertain status of many aspects of the roster, unrealistic.

]]> By: bret http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/#comment-14771 bret Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:21:49 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=958#comment-14771 I agree GOOCH. I'm not sure how fans of a team can root against players of that team but whatever. Bottom line---if Brian Barton plays well and deserves it he will be on the team. If he doesn't he wont. Would I PREFER Barton over Gonzalez--sure. But I want the spot to go to the guy who earns it. I realize the age thing, etc. But I'm also not going to totally say "well, we can't win this year". The division hasn't been great. Do I think we will win? No. But is it Ok if I cheer for us to win? It would be a neat story if Juan played well, gave us 250 AB's and crushed LHP (which is all he would be asked to do by the way). I would also like Brian Barton to impress in camp and become a mainstay. But hopefully both guys are so good it becomes a tough decision to make. Also, I don't get why we are rooting against Skip? Makes no sense to me. I kind of want people/prospects/young players to actually EARN spots--not have them handed to them. I agree GOOCH. I’m not sure how fans of a team can root against players of that team but whatever.

Bottom line—if Brian Barton plays well and deserves it he will be on the team. If he doesn’t he wont. Would I PREFER Barton over Gonzalez–sure. But I want the spot to go to the guy who earns it. I realize the age thing, etc.

But I’m also not going to totally say “well, we can’t win this year”. The division hasn’t been great. Do I think we will win? No. But is it Ok if I cheer for us to win?

It would be a neat story if Juan played well, gave us 250 AB’s and crushed LHP (which is all he would be asked to do by the way). I would also like Brian Barton to impress in camp and become a mainstay.

But hopefully both guys are so good it becomes a tough decision to make. Also, I don’t get why we are rooting against Skip? Makes no sense to me.

I kind of want people/prospects/young players to actually EARN spots–not have them handed to them.

]]> By: GOOCH http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/#comment-14770 GOOCH Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:18:25 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=958#comment-14770 I don't like the idea of having that young and experienced an outfield. I see no reason to make any rash moves on Duncan. Move Skip (whose skill set and ceiling are pretty much a known quantity at this point) and keep the others. D.GOOCH I don’t like the idea of having that young and experienced an outfield. I see no reason to make any rash moves on Duncan. Move Skip (whose skill set and ceiling are pretty much a known quantity at this point) and keep the others. D.GOOCH

]]> By: ryanvb http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/#comment-14769 ryanvb Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:19:01 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=958#comment-14769 yes, but can mather pitch like Speez? yes, but can mather pitch like Speez?

]]> By: Tom http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/#comment-14768 Tom Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:27:22 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=958#comment-14768 Yea..I agree too. I think the team already has enough steroid drama without Juan around. Also, I'm in favor of keeping Skip and trading Duncan for a starter, Let the 3 best athletes (Ankiel, Rasmus and Barton) start. Skip and Luddy are the best back-up options defensively and neither are too shabby with the bat either. Yea..I agree too. I think the team already has enough steroid drama without Juan around. Also, I’m in favor of keeping Skip and trading Duncan for a starter, Let the 3 best athletes (Ankiel, Rasmus and Barton) start. Skip and Luddy are the best back-up options defensively and neither are too shabby with the bat either.

]]> By: Bill http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/#comment-14766 Bill Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:24:06 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=958#comment-14766 I wouldn't exactly say I'm "rooting against" Gonzalez -- quite the contrary, I have a secret admiration for those full of years who try to play baseball, being well on the far side of 40 myself -- but the circumstances are just not right for him to be taking Barton's spot. If Barton had an option or two left, then maybe, but he's potentially the best Rule 5 pick they've made in a while (and they've made a couple of fairly good ones), and giving that talent up for a guy who won't be around by 2010, even if he does hit this year, is dangerously short-sighted. Gooch's happy thought of trading Schu -- or Ludwick or even Duncan -- for a middle-infield upgrade (now or future) may be the best we can hope for here. I wouldn’t exactly say I’m “rooting against” Gonzalez — quite the contrary, I have a secret admiration for those full of years who try to play baseball, being well on the far side of 40 myself — but the circumstances are just not right for him to be taking Barton’s spot. If Barton had an option or two left, then maybe, but he’s potentially the best Rule 5 pick they’ve made in a while (and they’ve made a couple of fairly good ones), and giving that talent up for a guy who won’t be around by 2010, even if he does hit this year, is dangerously short-sighted. Gooch’s happy thought of trading Schu — or Ludwick or even Duncan — for a middle-infield upgrade (now or future) may be the best we can hope for here.

]]> By: Mike http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/28/grapefruity-action/#comment-14765 Mike Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:33:18 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=958#comment-14765 I was at today's game too. I'm glad I'm not the only one secretly rooting against Juan Gone. I was at today’s game too. I’m glad I’m not the only one secretly rooting against Juan Gone.

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