Comments on: Roarke’s Prospect List http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:09:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: John http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/#comment-14537 John Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:04:45 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=926#comment-14537 I'm with roarke on Bryan Anderson. Catching prospects are notoriously overvalued. Anderson may very well have the tools to stay at catcher. The problem is that scouts and stats analysts alike have a pretty mediocre record when it comes to forecasting just who is going to be able to handle adequately the rigors of MLB catching. Given that we have Molina locked up at a pretty favorable price, it may be best to move Anderson for a player who can fill a hole at positions where we are obviously very weak, like SS or 2B I’m with roarke on Bryan Anderson. Catching prospects are notoriously overvalued. Anderson may very well have the tools to stay at catcher. The problem is that scouts and stats analysts alike have a pretty mediocre record when it comes to forecasting just who is going to be able to handle adequately the rigors of MLB catching. Given that we have Molina locked up at a pretty favorable price, it may be best to move Anderson for a player who can fill a hole at positions where we are obviously very weak, like SS or 2B

]]> By: Tom http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/#comment-14526 Tom Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:16:29 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=926#comment-14526 I may be mistaken, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Anderson have something like 15 passed balls last year? Only disagreement I have is that Worrell should be a few notches up on this list. I definately agree that if Perez doesn't control himself, Motte could get a look instead. I don't care that he's already 25. He's only been pitching for less than 2 seasons and has a 98 mph fastball and a killer strikeout rate. As for Kozma...If your gonna take him that high you had better be damned sure of yourself. He did absolutely nothing to assert himself as a top prospect. The only reason he continues to be talked about on these lists is because of where he was drafted. Had he been taken in the 3rd round, no one would be talking about him. I really hope I'm wrong but we might have a better chance of seeing Tyler Greene at SS. I may be mistaken, and please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Anderson have something like 15 passed balls last year?

Only disagreement I have is that Worrell should be a few notches up on this list.

I definately agree that if Perez doesn’t control himself, Motte could get a look instead. I don’t care that he’s already 25. He’s only been pitching for less than 2 seasons and has a 98 mph fastball and a killer strikeout rate.

As for Kozma…If your gonna take him that high you had better be damned sure of yourself. He did absolutely nothing to assert himself as a top prospect. The only reason he continues to be talked about on these lists is because of where he was drafted. Had he been taken in the 3rd round, no one would be talking about him. I really hope I’m wrong but we might have a better chance of seeing Tyler Greene at SS.

]]> By: Carlos http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/#comment-14525 Carlos Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:33:06 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=926#comment-14525 I think you hit the Ottavino report on the head I think you hit the Ottavino report on the head

]]> By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/#comment-14523 fewgoodcards Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:44:21 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=926#comment-14523 did anyone catch the article in the news-leader today where luhnow basically said anderson and garcia are going back to springfield to start the year? did anyone catch the article in the news-leader today where luhnow basically said anderson and garcia are going back to springfield to start the year?

]]> By: sluhser http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/#comment-14522 sluhser Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:10:54 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=926#comment-14522 Anderson also apparently has an incredible maturity in handling the game and pitchers. I know that an intangible like this isn't as easily defined with numbers, but I've seen many comments that nobody believes he's only 20 years old. Anderson also apparently has an incredible maturity in handling the game and pitchers. I know that an intangible like this isn’t as easily defined with numbers, but I’ve seen many comments that nobody believes he’s only 20 years old.

]]> By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/#comment-14520 fewgoodcards Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:35:08 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=926#comment-14520 the only problem for motte is that he doesn't really have a breaking ball. sure he has a great fastball and throws more strikes than perez, but perez has two plus pitches and his curveball is actually getting pretty good as well. the only problem for motte is that he doesn’t really have a breaking ball. sure he has a great fastball and throws more strikes than perez, but perez has two plus pitches and his curveball is actually getting pretty good as well.

]]> By: GForce9 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/#comment-14518 GForce9 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:01:17 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=926#comment-14518 I am a big believer in Motte as well. After seeing him take over for the SCards last year, the battle for future closers' role is neck-in-neck IMHO. I am a big believer in Motte as well. After seeing him take over for the SCards last year, the battle for future closers’ role is neck-in-neck IMHO.

]]> By: Bill http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/#comment-14516 Bill Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:13:20 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=926#comment-14516 A couple of notes to this: * My impression is that Anderson is thought of as _currently_ average defensively, rather than average being his upside. Some scouts have noticed problems with his throwing mechanics, but those can be fixed. The other parts of his defensive game don't seem to have significant holes. Or am I missing something? * Motte looks to have big-time gas, but he's not a kid any more. Is a guy who's still at AA at age 25 (even allowing for a position change) really a prospect? * Thanks for linking to that Worrell video, but it scares me. There are a LOT of moving parts in his motion, posing both an injury risk and the possibility of loss of command. I'm also not convinced that major-league hitters are going to have as much trouble figuring the funky delivery out as the guys in the PCL. A couple of notes to this:
* My impression is that Anderson is thought of as _currently_ average defensively, rather than average being his upside. Some scouts have noticed problems with his throwing mechanics, but those can be fixed. The other parts of his defensive game don’t seem to have significant holes. Or am I missing something?
* Motte looks to have big-time gas, but he’s not a kid any more. Is a guy who’s still at AA at age 25 (even allowing for a position change) really a prospect?
* Thanks for linking to that Worrell video, but it scares me. There are a LOT of moving parts in his motion, posing both an injury risk and the possibility of loss of command. I’m also not convinced that major-league hitters are going to have as much trouble figuring the funky delivery out as the guys in the PCL.

]]> By: roarke49 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/#comment-14515 roarke49 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:36:47 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=926#comment-14515 Re: Walters - Good catch, there. That's a complete brain freeze on my part - I saw the 26 games and 30.1 IP in 2006 on FirstInning and didn't even think about college innings. Re: Anderson - I sincerely hope that you are right and I am wrong, but my understanding is that his upside is to be average defensively. If that is the case, there are way too many pitfalls for a guy whose bat wouldn't play nearly as well at a corner infield or outfield position. And don't get me wrong, I still like the guy, it's just that if his perceived value is that of a top tier prospect, I'd rather we trade on that perception now because in my mind the risks make him somewhat less than that. Re: Walters - Good catch, there. That’s a complete brain freeze on my part - I saw the 26 games and 30.1 IP in 2006 on FirstInning and didn’t even think about college innings.

Re: Anderson - I sincerely hope that you are right and I am wrong, but my understanding is that his upside is to be average defensively. If that is the case, there are way too many pitfalls for a guy whose bat wouldn’t play nearly as well at a corner infield or outfield position. And don’t get me wrong, I still like the guy, it’s just that if his perceived value is that of a top tier prospect, I’d rather we trade on that perception now because in my mind the risks make him somewhat less than that.

]]> By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2008/02/17/roarkes-prospect-list/#comment-14513 fewgoodcards Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:09:49 +0000 http://futureredbirds.wordpress.com/?p=926#comment-14513 one comment on walters, he didn't have a big jump in innings last year he actually threw less innings. in 2006 he threw 182.1 innings between college and the minors. in 2007 he only threw 151.2 innings. one comment on walters, he didn’t have a big jump in innings last year he actually threw less innings. in 2006 he threw 182.1 innings between college and the minors. in 2007 he only threw 151.2 innings.

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