Comments on: Redbird recollections: Yadier Molina http://futureredbirds.com/2008/01/22/redbird-recollections-yadier-molina/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:26:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Bob http://futureredbirds.com/2008/01/22/redbird-recollections-yadier-molina/#comment-14067 Bob Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:00:53 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/01/22/redbird-recollections-yadier-molina/#comment-14067 Here's a fun notion: take the bases saved by Yadi with his arm, and add them to his slugging%. Like this. Yadi threw out 27 of 50 runners last year. MLB caught stealing avg. was 25.5%, or 27 of 106, so to speak. Therefore Yadi was 56 runners, or 56 bases above average with his arm. Add those 56 bases to his total bases, and what you have is an average DE-fensive catcher with a O-ffensive line of .275/.340/.526(!) Of course, this includes no adjustment for errors or passed balls (or Yadi's aforementioned glacial running speed), but as a quick and dirty indicator, I think it shows how valuable the Best Throwing Arm In Baseball truly is. Here’s a fun notion: take the bases saved by Yadi with his arm, and add them to his slugging%.

Like this. Yadi threw out 27 of 50 runners last year. MLB caught stealing avg. was 25.5%, or 27 of 106, so to speak. Therefore Yadi was 56 runners, or 56 bases above average with his arm. Add those 56 bases to his total bases, and what you have is an average DE-fensive catcher with a O-ffensive line of .275/.340/.526(!)

Of course, this includes no adjustment for errors or passed balls (or Yadi’s aforementioned glacial running speed), but as a quick and dirty indicator, I think it shows how valuable the Best Throwing Arm In Baseball truly is.

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By: Cleveland http://futureredbirds.com/2008/01/22/redbird-recollections-yadier-molina/#comment-14066 Cleveland Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:36:45 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/01/22/redbird-recollections-yadier-molina/#comment-14066 Edit button.... The above should read. "Anderson is no sure thing, and Yadi has at least proven to be a superior defender even if he continues to be a fruitless hitter." Edit button….

The above should read.

“Anderson is no sure thing, and Yadi has at least proven to be a superior defender even if he continues to be a fruitless hitter.”

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By: Cleveland http://futureredbirds.com/2008/01/22/redbird-recollections-yadier-molina/#comment-14065 Cleveland Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:34:55 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/01/22/redbird-recollections-yadier-molina/#comment-14065 Mike, That's the same point I was going to make. Yadi is a whole different kind of slow. Not yet quantifiable. Slower players are always going to underperform their PrOPS and have low BABIPs. It's inherit to the formula. Take into account that he is not only slow, but probably the slowest in the league by a healthy margin, and you can explain much of the descrepancy. Count me in as one not sold on him as a hitter. He hits the ball on the ground entirely too much, and even if he can change his approach, doesn't have the power to be an effective fly ball hitter. Also, his rasie in walk rate could be somewhat attirbuted to the pitcher hitting 8th for much of the season. I don't have any data to back it up, only because I can't find it, but I think it stands to reason that having the pitcher hitting behind you will get you pitched around in many situations. My theory will be tested this year, as I fear he's going to have to hit 6th. All that being said, Mo did a nice job with the contract and having two good catchers is certainly not a bad thing. Anderson is no sure thing, and Yadi has at least proven to be a superior hitter even if he continues to be a fruitless hitter. If both continue to develop, we'll have a nice trade chip in the near future. Mike,

That’s the same point I was going to make. Yadi is a whole different kind of slow. Not yet quantifiable.

Slower players are always going to underperform their PrOPS and have low BABIPs. It’s inherit to the formula. Take into account that he is not only slow, but probably the slowest in the league by a healthy margin, and you can explain much of the descrepancy.

Count me in as one not sold on him as a hitter. He hits the ball on the ground entirely too much, and even if he can change his approach, doesn’t have the power to be an effective fly ball hitter.

Also, his rasie in walk rate could be somewhat attirbuted to the pitcher hitting 8th for much of the season. I don’t have any data to back it up, only because I can’t find it, but I think it stands to reason that having the pitcher hitting behind you will get you pitched around in many situations. My theory will be tested this year, as I fear he’s going to have to hit 6th.

All that being said, Mo did a nice job with the contract and having two good catchers is certainly not a bad thing. Anderson is no sure thing, and Yadi has at least proven to be a superior hitter even if he continues to be a fruitless hitter. If both continue to develop, we’ll have a nice trade chip in the near future.

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By: mikedallas23 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/01/22/redbird-recollections-yadier-molina/#comment-14056 mikedallas23 Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:18:22 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2008/01/22/redbird-recollections-yadier-molina/#comment-14056 I think we should expect Yadi to be a little below his PrOPS given how slow he is, but I agree that 2005-2006 was unlucky for even the most lead-footed of players. I think we should expect him to under-perform his PrOPS by 40-50 points going forward as he did in 04 and 07. I think we should expect Yadi to be a little below his PrOPS given how slow he is, but I agree that 2005-2006 was unlucky for even the most lead-footed of players. I think we should expect him to under-perform his PrOPS by 40-50 points going forward as he did in 04 and 07.

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