Comments on: 2007 Rule 5 draft http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:31:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11660 erik Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:35:13 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11660 David in SF, few rule 5ers taken in the minor league portion go on to find big league success. I'd have to look at it more, but only Scott Podsednik comes to mind, if you want to characterize his career as a success David in SF, few rule 5ers taken in the minor league portion go on to find big league success. I’d have to look at it more, but only Scott Podsednik comes to mind, if you want to characterize his career as a success

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By: Grant http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11647 Grant Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:03:26 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11647 Hopefully, this is just one of many potentially shrewd moves to come. Hopefully, this is just one of many potentially shrewd moves to come.

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By: David in San Francisco http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11646 David in San Francisco Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:01:41 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11646 Erik and azruavatar, Why do you think the Cardinals chose not to draft any players onto the AAA team, particularly pitchers? Given how thin the AAA team was last year, it would seem Mo and Luhnow missed a chance to upgrade the farm system at least a little. 18 pitchers were drafted after the 10th pick. Wouldn't any of these been useful to the Cardinals? Triple-A Phase Draftees, 2007: 10. Levi Romero, RHP, by Oklahoma (TEX) from Houston (Oklahoma). 11. Jose Fragoso, RHP, by Sacramento (OAK) from Detroit (Oneonta). 12. Victor Garate, LHP, by Las Vegas (LAD) from Houston (Tri-City). 13. Joe Bateman, RHP, by Nashville (MIL) from San Francisco (Connecticut). 15. Juan Cedeno, LHP, by Toledo (DET) from Washington (Wichita). 16. Garry Bakker, RHP, by New Orleans (NYM) from Chicago, AL (Winston-Salem). 17. Gabe DeHoyos, RHP, by Portland (SD) from Kansas City (Wichita). 19. Bo Hall, RHP, by Scranton/WB (NYY) from Milwaukee (Huntsville). 20. Julio Puentes, RHP, by Durham (TB) from Houston (VSL Astros). 21. Mauricio Mendez, RHP, by Indianapolis (PIT) from Boston (GCL Red Sox). 25. Jose Rojas, RHP, by Sacramento (OAK) from Cincinnati (Sarasota). 26. Richard Campbell, RHP, by Nashville (MIL) from Washington (Harrisburg). 28. Benjamin Fritz, RHP, by Toledo (DET) from Oakland (Midland). 29. Kurt Isenberg, LHP, by Portland (SD) from Toronto (New Hampshire). 31. Jose Mejias, RHP, by Durham (TB) from New York, NL (VSL Mets). 32. Corey Hamman, LHP, by Indianapolis (PIT) from Detroit (Toledo). 33. Clayton Hamilton, RHP, by Oklahoma (TEX) from Pittsburgh (Lynchburg). 34. Scott Mitchinson, RHP, by Sacramento (OAK) from Philadelphia Erik and azruavatar, Why do you think the Cardinals chose not to draft any players onto the AAA team, particularly pitchers? Given how thin the AAA team was last year, it would seem Mo and Luhnow missed a chance to upgrade the farm system at least a little. 18 pitchers were drafted after the 10th pick. Wouldn’t any of these been useful to the Cardinals?

Triple-A Phase Draftees, 2007:

10. Levi Romero, RHP, by Oklahoma (TEX) from Houston (Oklahoma).
11. Jose Fragoso, RHP, by Sacramento (OAK) from Detroit (Oneonta).
12. Victor Garate, LHP, by Las Vegas (LAD) from Houston (Tri-City).
13. Joe Bateman, RHP, by Nashville (MIL) from San Francisco (Connecticut).
15. Juan Cedeno, LHP, by Toledo (DET) from Washington (Wichita).
16. Garry Bakker, RHP, by New Orleans (NYM) from Chicago, AL (Winston-Salem).
17. Gabe DeHoyos, RHP, by Portland (SD) from Kansas City (Wichita).
19. Bo Hall, RHP, by Scranton/WB (NYY) from Milwaukee (Huntsville).
20. Julio Puentes, RHP, by Durham (TB) from Houston (VSL Astros).
21. Mauricio Mendez, RHP, by Indianapolis (PIT) from Boston (GCL Red Sox).
25. Jose Rojas, RHP, by Sacramento (OAK) from Cincinnati (Sarasota).
26. Richard Campbell, RHP, by Nashville (MIL) from Washington (Harrisburg).
28. Benjamin Fritz, RHP, by Toledo (DET) from Oakland (Midland).
29. Kurt Isenberg, LHP, by Portland (SD) from Toronto (New Hampshire).
31. Jose Mejias, RHP, by Durham (TB) from New York, NL (VSL Mets).
32. Corey Hamman, LHP, by Indianapolis (PIT) from Detroit (Toledo).
33. Clayton Hamilton, RHP, by Oklahoma (TEX) from Pittsburgh (Lynchburg).
34. Scott Mitchinson, RHP, by Sacramento (OAK) from Philadelphia

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By: David in San Francisco http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11644 David in San Francisco Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:55:24 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11644 Alex, I am optimistic that Barton, with his degree in aeronautical engineering, will be able to fix things between Rolen and LaRussa. We've all known for some time now that solving that problem WOULD take a "rocket scientist". Alex, I am optimistic that Barton, with his degree in aeronautical engineering, will be able to fix things between Rolen and LaRussa. We’ve all known for some time now that solving that problem WOULD take a “rocket scientist”.

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By: David in San Francisco http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11643 David in San Francisco Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:52:49 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11643 Various people have noted on other blog sites, incorrectly, that Barton, like Ludwick, hits RHP better than LHP. The fact is, Barton's OBP vs. LHP in 2005 and 2006 was higher than vs. RHP: 2005 vs. LHP .965 vs. RHP .941 2006 vs. LHP 1.010 vs. RHP .889 People seem to be drawing the conclusion that Barton does not hit LHP well from his performance at Akron this year, where his OPS vs. LHP was only .631 while his OPS vs. RHP was. .998. But he had only 32 AB vs. LHP at Akron, a very small sample size. Now that Barton has cleaned up his bothersome knee and it will reportedly be completely healthy and strong by the beginning of spring training, he could perform better than ever. Drafting Barton is an outstanding move! Bravo, Mo! Various people have noted on other blog sites, incorrectly, that Barton, like Ludwick, hits RHP better than LHP. The fact is, Barton’s OBP vs. LHP in 2005 and 2006 was higher than vs. RHP:

2005
vs. LHP .965
vs. RHP .941

2006
vs. LHP 1.010
vs. RHP .889

People seem to be drawing the conclusion that Barton does not hit LHP well from his performance at Akron this year, where his OPS vs. LHP was only .631 while his OPS vs. RHP was. .998. But he had only 32 AB vs. LHP at Akron, a very small sample size.

Now that Barton has cleaned up his bothersome knee and it will reportedly be completely healthy and strong by the beginning of spring training, he could perform better than ever.

Drafting Barton is an outstanding move! Bravo, Mo!

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By: alex http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11642 alex Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:42:03 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11642 Just our of curiosity (my friends call me whiskers) is there any record of what the general e-reaction was when the Cards picked up Hector Luna in the Rule V draft before the '04 season? (I like the Barton pick by the way. A buddy of mine tutored him at LMU -- Barton had an internship at Northrup before he ever stepped foot on campus -- and says he is ridiculously, insanely smart. Maybe he can figure out an algorithm to make Tony and Scott shut the eff up.) Just our of curiosity (my friends call me whiskers) is there any record of what the general e-reaction was when the Cards picked up Hector Luna in the Rule V draft before the ‘04 season?

(I like the Barton pick by the way. A buddy of mine tutored him at LMU — Barton had an internship at Northrup before he ever stepped foot on campus — and says he is ridiculously, insanely smart. Maybe he can figure out an algorithm to make Tony and Scott shut the eff up.)

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By: TICY http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11615 TICY Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:20:08 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11615 Interesting... i dont know if this is the whole draft (i have very limited knowledge of the rule v draft) but Lubanski wasn't even taken. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3144243 Interesting… i dont know if this is the whole draft (i have very limited knowledge of the rule v draft) but Lubanski wasn’t even taken.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3144243

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By: andizzle http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11596 andizzle Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:54:48 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11596 Interesting note* Barton played alongside chris perez and jon jay in miami in 2004. Interesting note*

Barton played alongside chris perez and jon jay in miami in 2004.

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By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11574 Chris Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:28:11 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11574 I absolutely LOVE picking up Barton! This guy is a player with all of the tools. He is the perfect kind of pickup being a RH outfield that can play all 3 spots. First off all So's defense has always been overrated as he is a below average CF and has pretty weak arm. I don't think Barton is a good defensive CF but is a very solid corner guy. Barton's pickup gives the Cards added versatility. He is a guy that can hit leadoff, but I really like him in the 2 spot with his combo of speed and power. I think this could signal a trade involving Duncan or Ankiel for Scott Rolen's replacement or a SP. From reports I've been hearing the Cards were hesitant to trade the likes of Duncan or Ankiel and Rolen because it would leave their lineup void of any power outside of Pujols. I'm not say Barton is an all star, but I'm probably higher on him than most. I believe he is an average starting corner OF. In my mind the following should happen: Rolen (Cards paying most of salary to get better player return), Skip, Reyes to Dodgers for LaRoche and Kemp or Ethier. Then Duncan to the Orioles for Cabrera. Those trades would give the Cards a 3B MLB ready prospect and a very good OF MLB ready prospect and a young power starting pitcher that Duncan could straighten out. I absolutely LOVE picking up Barton! This guy is a player with all of the tools. He is the perfect kind of pickup being a RH outfield that can play all 3 spots. First off all So’s defense has always been overrated as he is a below average CF and has pretty weak arm. I don’t think Barton is a good defensive CF but is a very solid corner guy. Barton’s pickup gives the Cards added versatility. He is a guy that can hit leadoff, but I really like him in the 2 spot with his combo of speed and power. I think this could signal a trade involving Duncan or Ankiel for Scott Rolen’s replacement or a SP. From reports I’ve been hearing the Cards were hesitant to trade the likes of Duncan or Ankiel and Rolen because it would leave their lineup void of any power outside of Pujols. I’m not say Barton is an all star, but I’m probably higher on him than most. I believe he is an average starting corner OF.

In my mind the following should happen: Rolen (Cards paying most of salary to get better player return), Skip, Reyes to Dodgers for LaRoche and Kemp or Ethier. Then Duncan to the Orioles for Cabrera. Those trades would give the Cards a 3B MLB ready prospect and a very good OF MLB ready prospect and a young power starting pitcher that Duncan could straighten out.

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By: tnek5 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11571 tnek5 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:42:48 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/12/05/2007-rule-5-draft/#comment-11571 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW4UwKAxYrc&feature=related this is a video with barton batting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW4UwKAxYrc&feature=related

this is a video with barton batting

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