Comments on: Raiding the Farm: Mark Buerhle http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:30:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Andrew http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3239 Andrew Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:52:32 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3239 I'm not attached to Ankiel--I think Cardinal mgmt may be. If it comes down to Mather v. Ank I don't think it is a deal breaker either way. I am glad to see Mather having a break out year and hope he can keep it up (run of mid to upper 700s in OPS in lower levels), and I'm encouraged that you like him going forward. (Or is that more a function of your low view of Ankiel?) At any rate, my hang up with the deal revolves around Reyes and the long term. 1. We're selling when his value is at its lowest. 2. Reyes is the type of player that a middle-to-largish market team has to develop to stay competitive. He's going to be inexpensive for several years. Yeah, he won't be Mark Buerhle during that time, but he'll cost about $13M per year less, and that's if we can re-sign Buerhle (rather likely but not a given if he's traded over). Our big $$ ought to be going to bats in the trade/FA market. Even though hitters are overpaid as well, at least they are a more reliable commodity. I would be more likely to pull the trigger if we had a window to negotiate an extension. I’m not attached to Ankiel–I think Cardinal mgmt may be. If it comes down to Mather v. Ank I don’t think it is a deal breaker either way. I am glad to see Mather having a break out year and hope he can keep it up (run of mid to upper 700s in OPS in lower levels), and I’m encouraged that you like him going forward. (Or is that more a function of your low view of Ankiel?)

At any rate, my hang up with the deal revolves around Reyes and the long term. 1. We’re selling when his value is at its lowest. 2. Reyes is the type of player that a middle-to-largish market team has to develop to stay competitive. He’s going to be inexpensive for several years. Yeah, he won’t be Mark Buerhle during that time, but he’ll cost about $13M per year less, and that’s if we can re-sign Buerhle (rather likely but not a given if he’s traded over). Our big $$ ought to be going to bats in the trade/FA market. Even though hitters are overpaid as well, at least they are a more reliable commodity.

I would be more likely to pull the trigger if we had a window to negotiate an extension.

]]> By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3236 azruavatar Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:30:02 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3236 Andrew - Ankiel is a 27 year old CF with no plate discipline. Despite the attachment that Cardinal Nation has to him, he should be traded if any GM wants him. The power he's showing is nice but he's nothing more than a 4th outfielder with pop right now given his complete lack of plate discipline. The clock is working against him. I'd rather hold onto Mather than Ankiel. <i>Reyes’ ability to handle this morass with grace has told me all I need to know.</i> Buerhle is a legitimate front of the rotation starter in the AL with solid peripherals (after an abberation last year). Reyes has potential but Buerhle's there. He's only 3 years older than Reyes. Andrew - Ankiel is a 27 year old CF with no plate discipline. Despite the attachment that Cardinal Nation has to him, he should be traded if any GM wants him. The power he’s showing is nice but he’s nothing more than a 4th outfielder with pop right now given his complete lack of plate discipline. The clock is working against him. I’d rather hold onto Mather than Ankiel.

Reyes’ ability to handle this morass with grace has told me all I need to know. Buerhle is a legitimate front of the rotation starter in the AL with solid peripherals (after an abberation last year). Reyes has potential but Buerhle’s there. He’s only 3 years older than Reyes.

]]> By: Andrew http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3225 Andrew Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:18:03 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3225 I'd expect KW to want Dove and Reyes. And I'd expect WJ to be willing to part with them. The other guy is probably Ankiel. Tony clearly has a thing for Ank, so I bet the Cards would hold on to him a bit more tightly. In the end, though, I think both sides would take MB for these three. If it's Perez rather than Dove, same story. If the Cards could stick Mather in rather than Ank, that would be their preference. LaDuncketty probably already foresee next year's rotation as Carp, Muld, Wainwright, Bloop and Maroth. Reyes is expendable. If they can get MB and then re-sign him, they'd be willing to bump someone. Not for Reyes. Now, on to my opinion...not a chance that I do this deal. Reyes' ability to handle this morass with grace has told me all I need to know. He's got to stay. Give him a spot in the rotation next year and live with it. Spend the $ on a bat. This win now stuff is Jocketty's short-sightedness, or else just habitual. I’d expect KW to want Dove and Reyes. And I’d expect WJ to be willing to part with them. The other guy is probably Ankiel. Tony clearly has a thing for Ank, so I bet the Cards would hold on to him a bit more tightly. In the end, though, I think both sides would take MB for these three. If it’s Perez rather than Dove, same story. If the Cards could stick Mather in rather than Ank, that would be their preference.

LaDuncketty probably already foresee next year’s rotation as Carp, Muld, Wainwright, Bloop and Maroth. Reyes is expendable. If they can get MB and then re-sign him, they’d be willing to bump someone. Not for Reyes.

Now, on to my opinion…not a chance that I do this deal. Reyes’ ability to handle this morass with grace has told me all I need to know. He’s got to stay. Give him a spot in the rotation next year and live with it. Spend the $ on a bat. This win now stuff is Jocketty’s short-sightedness, or else just habitual.

]]> By: Shhhh http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3213 Shhhh Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:03:46 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3213 Just noticed he did Mortenson too, so I'll be expecting a big post about the 2 tomorrow. Just noticed he did Mortenson too, so I’ll be expecting a big post about the 2 tomorrow.

]]> By: Shhhh http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3212 Shhhh Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:00:52 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3212 Just to let you know Erik or Azruavatar, Carlos Gomez has his opinion of Kyle Russell out now on THT. (although it's not like he's going to be playing for the Cards) Just to let you know Erik or Azruavatar, Carlos Gomez has his opinion of Kyle Russell out now on THT. (although it’s not like he’s going to be playing for the Cards)

]]> By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3209 azruavatar Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:38:45 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3209 The white sox would have zero interest in encarnacion -- like pretty much every other team right now. The only teams that may be interested in encarnacion would be ones looking to bolster their bench at the deadline. He has almost zero trade value. The white sox would have zero interest in encarnacion — like pretty much every other team right now. The only teams that may be interested in encarnacion would be ones looking to bolster their bench at the deadline. He has almost zero trade value.

]]> By: Zach http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3208 Zach Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:33:12 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3208 I would package Reyes, Encarnacion, And Mather. The white sox are looking to dump Dye and Konerko, Encarnacion, and Mather could be some replacements until they trade those two and get better prospects. You may have to offer one reliever to get the deal done. . . maybe a Cate or Dove. I leave Perez here to take over Izzy's job in 09. That would leave an 08 rotation of carp, buerle, mulder, adam w, and either maroth/looper. Ankiel could take over right next year, and our farm is still looking ok. I would package Reyes, Encarnacion, And Mather. The white sox are looking to dump Dye and Konerko, Encarnacion, and Mather could be some replacements until they trade those two and get better prospects. You may have to offer one reliever to get the deal done. . . maybe a Cate or Dove. I leave Perez here to take over Izzy’s job in 09. That would leave an 08 rotation of carp, buerle, mulder, adam w, and either maroth/looper. Ankiel could take over right next year, and our farm is still looking ok.

]]> By: Ryan http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3207 Ryan Tue, 03 Jul 2007 02:06:05 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3207 This is all a waste of time because Mark Buerhle has said that he wants to stay in Chicago. There's no way he's lying, because athletes never do. /sarcasm. I think that'd be a fair package for Buerhle though This is all a waste of time because Mark Buerhle has said that he wants to stay in Chicago. There’s no way he’s lying, because athletes never do.

/sarcasm.

I think that’d be a fair package for Buerhle though

]]> By: croberts26 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3206 croberts26 Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:22:13 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3206 This deal will not happen because Buerhle will not grant the kind of hometown discount stated above. Besides, that would put three soft-tossing lefties in the rotation by the end of the season. Is that what you really want? This deal will not happen because Buerhle will not grant the kind of hometown discount stated above. Besides, that would put three soft-tossing lefties in the rotation by the end of the season. Is that what you really want?

]]> By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3204 azruavatar Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:10:10 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/02/raiding-the-farm/#comment-3204 guayzimi - KW can ask for that all he wants. if no team bites and Buerhle won't do an extension his demands will come down. That's GM posturing -- don't buy into it. guayzimi - KW can ask for that all he wants. if no team bites and Buerhle won’t do an extension his demands will come down. That’s GM posturing — don’t buy into it.

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